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ITER  
#1 Posted : 26 January 2011 12:14:11(UTC)
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ITER

Given the often disputed and different view points given in forum discussions. How would it go down if each contributor was rated in terms of accuracy and reliability of advice given, over a period of time. This would be scored by other users of this forum giving feedback. I guess it could work something like the ebay seller star system, when rating the reliability of sellers etc. Controversial, but hey, might sort the good from the bad!!
sean  
#2 Posted : 26 January 2011 12:18:52(UTC)
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Guest

Good idea ITER, but it would discriminate against me!!
freelance safety  
#3 Posted : 26 January 2011 12:36:48(UTC)
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freelance safety

ITER, this is a PUBLIC forum, it is not a place for people to take the advice given as either complete or competent. And who would deem themselves as the font of accuracy and reliability, especially as the majority use pseudonyms with no way of noting their actual levels of technical ability? If you need competent advice relating to a critical issue then you should always seek professional advice rather than looking for the answer on an open public forum.
teh_boy  
#4 Posted : 26 January 2011 12:55:01(UTC)
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teh_boy

I agree with freelance. Although I can see the posters point, there are numerous issues. Not least the pressure on the mods when you give me one star for this post and I disagree :) I have seen star ratings for answers and they work better, each answer gets stared by others and not the member! I think we should just use number of posts as an indicator, We have a clear winner if we do that :) ChrisBurns Super forum user 27 October 2009 1,122
freelance safety  
#5 Posted : 26 January 2011 12:58:29(UTC)
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freelance safety

teh_boy, the old saying – 'less is sometimes more' comes to mind…..
firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 26 January 2011 14:17:17(UTC)
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firesafety101

Thanks teh_boy for reminding everyone, however I agree that sometimes less can be more. While I may be a frequent poster I am not always right, at least not as right as lots of other posters. I also agree that the Mods may be put under lots of pressure and there could also be some sour grapes produced. It is a good idea however.
freelance safety  
#7 Posted : 26 January 2011 14:39:57(UTC)
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freelance safety

I’m always interested in new ideas and I think that it’s fantastic we have so many people who contribute to this public forum. But as I’ve said before, the information provided by contributors on a public forum should never be construed in terms of accuracy, reliability and therefore competency. The majority of users have pseudonyms with no way of noting their actual levels of technical ability. For this reason alone, it would not really be realistic to score/rate the commentary in terms of accuracy – nor should we.
MaxPayne  
#8 Posted : 26 January 2011 14:47:58(UTC)
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MaxPayne

I'm not in favour and agree with Freelance, beside that it would put off many from contributing in a free environment if they believed they were going to be judged by the masses. Nobody knows everything, and if nothing else the freely donated views on this forum provide the readers of those making the initial post with a general view on a topic; some may be technical and other more practical.
chris.packham  
#9 Posted : 26 January 2011 16:28:33(UTC)
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chris.packham

Who would be the judge(s) on the accuracy of the postings and answers. What if a poster had specific experience and expertise in one particular aspect of health and safety, beyond what others might possess? I can see real problems with this. And what would be the consequences if someone was downrated by the assessors, when in reality their advice was competent? Might they not have a right to some form of action due to the effect on their reputation and, as a consultant, on their business and income. As has been stated, this is an open forum. Let's keep it that was and not inhibit discussion due to concern about the effect on one's 'rating' Chris
teh_boy  
#10 Posted : 26 January 2011 17:06:55(UTC)
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teh_boy

quote=ChrisBurns]Thanks teh_boy for reminding everyone, however I agree that sometimes less can be more. .
I hope you didn't mind, I was only messing around (not very professional and should be rated at 1*). I noticed the other day that you could rank users by number of posts and couldn't resist the opportunity :) Thanks for being a good sport! Right home time
freelance safety  
#11 Posted : 26 January 2011 17:20:46(UTC)
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freelance safety

You do need a good sense of humour to work in this profession!
pete48  
#12 Posted : 26 January 2011 17:47:04(UTC)
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pete48

If one postulates that there are those who err and fail on this forum then surely the outcome of any rating system would be significantly skewed by the ratio of such contributors to those who never err or fail? Thus we would have a rating system that records the level of mutual acceptance rather than one that measures competence or accuracy. So I could still be a five star contributor simply because many find my responses believable or acceptable. A good blagger is a good blagger? How about rating some of the RIDDOR threads for example? I don't support the idea at all. I hope points never make prizes on this forum. p48
Bob Shillabeer  
#13 Posted : 26 January 2011 20:12:33(UTC)
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Bob Shillabeer

This is a public forum and there are many people who contribute who do not hold any formal competence at all. If you scored people on how good thier advise is then the forum would have very few people willing to contribute and it wil die. There are many who contribute who have a great deal of knowledge and there are those with very little or none at all who seek the advise of those who are competent. That does not mean they are always correct though so to score people would have two very dangerous affects. The advise given even when wrong could be sen as being correct and lead to someone choosing to take the wrong action because they think it is from someone who is competent enough to give that advise. Secondly if anyone gives advise they are leaving themselve open to severe critisim if that advise is not correct and someone is injured or even killed. I don't give advise on any specific topic but am willing to point someone to information they can rad and decide for themselves if the information is of use. Don't have insurance so would not offer any advise on how to deal with a topic but am willing to point ssomeone in the direction of such advise. For me it would put too much risk into this forum to take such a step.
boblewis  
#14 Posted : 26 January 2011 23:01:33(UTC)
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boblewis

ITER one should also remember that the most popular answer may be the correct one and also the most uncomfortable at times. Bob
Barrie(Badger)Etter  
#15 Posted : 27 January 2011 08:57:19(UTC)
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Barrie(Badger)Etter

Skewing the discussion a little, instead of points for the answer how about a percentage viewed/answered. For example, including this post there will be 14 replies and viewed 354 times which equals approx. 4%. I have noted (over the last couple of years) that good posts that attract higher responses score anywhere between 2.5 - 4%, indicating the forums responders field of knowledge is high / close to their heart. Response scores of below 2% (especially 1%) have either been worded badly or those with the knowledge are not in the forum. The percentages do tend to drop off as the subject matter tends to tire though and will retire at around 1% then the viewer should look to the number of response there has been. Consequently as a mathematical system the mods would not be involved. Badger
chris.packham  
#16 Posted : 27 January 2011 09:02:51(UTC)
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chris.packham

Barrie Actually I think the number of responses indicates the relative importance that people on this forum assign to a particular topic. I have looked back at this and it seems to me that where there is a posting relevant to a legal/regulatory matter then the response is almost always high, particularly with topics such as CDM. For some other topics the response, where there is no clear legal aspect, the response tends to be lower (although not always, e.g. for anything relating to driving). Does this indicate that those in health and safety are driven by regulatory compliance and are less interested where there is no clear regulatory issue. (Puts tin hat on!) Chris
ITER  
#17 Posted : 27 January 2011 09:44:36(UTC)
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ITER

boblewis wrote:
ITER one should also remember that the most popular answer may be the correct one and also the most uncomfortable at times. Bob
How does this tie in with some sort of rating grade for answers/contributors. I'm more than ok with 'uncomfortable' answers and telling people things they might not want to hear. The suggestion was to indicate how reliable/accurate an answer might be to a question etc. I have put the suggestion forward - it doesn't necessarily mean I agree with it either.
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#18 Posted : 27 January 2011 09:50:03(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

Chris.Packham wrote:
Barrie Actually I think the number of responses indicates the relative importance that people on this forum assign to a particular topic. I have looked back at this and it seems to me that where there is a posting relevant to a legal/regulatory matter then the response is almost always high. (Puts tin hat on!) Chris
Yes, that tin hat is particularly appropriate. A high response rate may indicate quite often that the original post, or one of several responses to it, was totally off the wall and so ridiculous that it generates a flurry of further responses. Equally, a single response can set things right and put a stop to some of that nonsense. In neither case will any derived 'score' identify and separate the intelligent from the idiotic
RayRapp  
#19 Posted : 27 January 2011 10:29:26(UTC)
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RayRapp

Some good comments regarding quality and quantity of threads and posts. As Ian has indicated, the response rate to threads can be influenced by many factors and not just whether it is a 'good question'. Indeed, I have often found that the more basic and simple a thread is, the more likely people are to respond and vice versa. Does this indicate responders prefer triviality over substance I wonder?
Dave C  
#20 Posted : 27 January 2011 11:14:45(UTC)
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Dave C

Was this post designed to wind me up? I am not in the least bit interested in star ratings. This is a public forum which I have found extremely helpful in subject matter where I am unsure and seek guidance. Yes there are many other sources of info which I also use but I find this forum stimulating and it is interesting to see how colleagues come at problems with different approaches and their experiences. I couldn't care less how many stars a forum contributor has beside their name - what a lot of nosense. However, just my opinion.
Oldroyd19659  
#21 Posted : 27 January 2011 22:08:28(UTC)
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Oldroyd19659

Dave C Most common sense answer I have read on this forum for weeks why would you want people scoring you on your contribution to a request for information and an attempt to help a fellow practitioner. Where one offers a whole risk management biased review you can end up with sections of the posting community from what I expect is the lower risk end of the spectrum and the types that advise and walk away rather than manage, commenting disparagingly on sections of the comment. It would end up like safety apartheid Good comments
Mr.Flibble  
#22 Posted : 28 January 2011 10:37:35(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble

Getting people to answer the question that was actually asked would be a good start and miracle in its self!!
Barrie(Badger)Etter  
#23 Posted : 31 January 2011 08:43:16(UTC)
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Barrie(Badger)Etter

Quote=Mr.Flibble]Getting people to answer the question that was actually asked would be a good start and miracle in its self!!
Reference above and ITER's original posting, how about the availability of a tick box to show whether the respondee works in the field of the posted question. For example a CDM question answered by someone working in the field of construction would have the box ticked, but a respondee whilst their comments would be valuable would have an empty tick box. I believe earlier the level of response was questioned, surely working in the specific field of the question would give a more considered answer. Badger
Heather Collins  
#24 Posted : 31 January 2011 09:40:13(UTC)
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Heather Collins

Bad idea. I post here in an effort to help fellow practitioners, not to be "scored". There's no way I would presume to "score" what others have said and I think the forum would degenerate pretty fast into a war of who was right and who was wrong if we attempted it. Furthermore this would change the nature of the forum completely and those of us who have chosen to use our real names might feel we were being unfairly exposed to criticism from fellow professionals. I'd certainly be less inclined to post if I knew I was being "rated". As for the argument about whether people are legally liable for advice they give on here, we've discussed this at length before and FWIW I think the answer is no. However this doesn't prevent me answering questions to the best of my ability.
Fletcher  
#25 Posted : 31 January 2011 10:01:23(UTC)
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Fletcher

I mostly agree with Heather on this subject. I offer help/opinions based on MY experience, knowledge and qualifications. I pick up a lot of information from these forums which adds to my reference library hence my knowledge. I think scoring would be devicive and not add anything to the forum. Take Care
RayRapp  
#26 Posted : 31 January 2011 10:05:00(UTC)
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RayRapp

I totally agree with Heather et al. This subject or similar has been discussed on a number of occasions and no system is workable in my opinion. You post your question and takes your chances on the quality of responses. No liability will be inferred as the advice is completely free and up to the individual to take it or not - end of story.
Chris99  
#27 Posted : 31 January 2011 10:57:23(UTC)
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Chris99

Totally agree about not going down the star rating route, but how about an alternative which may be in the spirit of the original posting? Most forums I frequent have 'Stickys' or 'FAQs' at the top of the forum with the best answers to commonly asked questions being saved to them. There are a lot of good answers given on here which fall off the front page and disappear into the ether - So without filling up the forum, we could perhaps have FAQs for RIDDOR, Asbestos, Fire to name some common topics and as responses are made to these queries if a certain number of forumites say 'Mods, this is a good answer, can it be added to the FAQ?' up it goes and in future people can be pointed in that direction. Wisdom of the masses? Maybe not, but it may be the quickest way of answering the common question which can be met by eye rolling (PA Testing anyone?) as well as preserving a good post by an experienced professional.
Heather Collins  
#28 Posted : 31 January 2011 11:22:22(UTC)
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Heather Collins

Good idea Chris. It was suggested ages ago as part of the forum improvements but was never implemented.
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