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Liddell45728  
#1 Posted : 21 February 2011 19:40:11(UTC)
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Liddell45728

Does anyone have any experience of Internal Audit or are familiar with the Internal Audit function of their company/organisation? I have operated within an Internal Audit department for the past 3 years after our Occupational Risk Audit team was re-organized. The department operates under Institute of Internal Audit (IIA) methodology, which includes reporting by exception (i.e. only poor practices are reported on in any detail). It is also very bureaucratic; all of which does not bide well for good health & safety auditing. I understand that we are possibly the only organisation to operate this way - with the majority of others having a separate H&S auditing function, using OHSAS18001 or similar methodology. Can any one share any experiences in this area? Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
Fletcher  
#2 Posted : 22 February 2011 14:44:03(UTC)
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Fletcher

Not sure as to your exact requirement, do you want an audit protocol to audit against? The last internal audit I did was against a BSC 5 star criteria where the criteria was broken down into sections and then audited against. How you carry out the audit really depends on the size of your company and the complexity of it. In my last company I audited a department e.g. Engineering, Logistics, Operations etc against a clause or two of the criteria e.g. training, accident reporting etc This worked for us but was spread over the year and the schedule was very fluid to say the least. Hope this helps Take Care
F  
#3 Posted : 23 February 2011 16:07:53(UTC)
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F

At my last Organisation yes they used their Internal Audit section for many audits on the fringe of the safety arena- calling on advice from safety professionals sometimes. But for something purely safety- related using auditors based solely on IIA is fraught with danger- if one of the reasons you are auditing is to reassure both yourselves and HSE etc that you have proper, thorough and appropriate systems in place and you keep to them, surely this system may not provide such evidence for when the unexpected goes wrong and you get a visit! Also, a very valuable side product of auditing is that lessons can be learnt which can influence elsewhere- reporting by exception can be very costly in missing such opportunities.
Liddell45728  
#4 Posted : 23 February 2011 16:28:52(UTC)
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Liddell45728

Thank-you both for your replies. To add context, I work for a very large organisation with a separate safety departmentand audit function. "Fletcher", thank-you for your response and I hope I am about to explain my rationale; "f" "...using auditors based solely on IIA is fraught with danger..." I, the remainder of the safety department and everyone else with any safety knowledge agrees with this point and the rest of your response. Unfortunately, I have some accountanty type people, who cam eto the conclusion that auditing is auditing and all types can fit into the same pigeon hole in order to 'rationalise' the process. The whole purpose for me asking the question is to try and gather evidence (something auditors love) that nobody else on the planet does this as it doesn't make sense, so why do we. I have spent nigh on three years trying to convince my management of the plain facts, but we are not really any further on. Even if they do accept the matter in principle, they can't openly admit so as they would then owe myself and my colleague quite a bit of money for placing us in the wrong job role as the result of a reorganisation (I'm sure a few of you have been there). Thankfully, I belong to a good Trades Union, who have shown their benefit. Talks are currently ongoing. Thanks for your help.
F  
#5 Posted : 23 February 2011 17:51:50(UTC)
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F

It really comes down to what are ALL the reasons for the audit- if it is just to satisfy that the financial procedures have been followed then fair enough follow IIA and miss a good opportunity to verify that you are following HSG(65) guidelines. If you are keen on producing evidence acceptable post a failing in your "safety" then you must acquire evidence that you are involved in "continuous improvement"- have they seen HSG65?

Edited by moderator 24 February 2011 09:22:17(UTC)  | Reason: typo

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