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sean  
#1 Posted : 23 February 2011 09:09:03(UTC)
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I recently received through the post my Free Fire Door checker from a link on an earlier thread on this forum, it came with a proper check list and DVD on how to check the Fire Doors properly, I am quite impressed. I started to inspect the fire doors in my building and am amazed how many faults I have found just on one floor of a five story building, I am also amazed that I have missed such obvious faults on my building inspections, it is amazing what you cannot see especially when it is straight in front of you! The main question I have is can there be any circumstances where a fire door can have a lock on it? In each corner of my building we have double fire doors leading to the fire exit, there is also fire doors leading to the lift lobby and main exits in the centre of the building, so there are six different routes of escape. The double sets of doors are causing me concern, on the inside (office side) there is a "tumble lock" anyone could in theory lock the door from the inside which in theory could stop staff escaping through the doors if there was a fire below them and above them, I know the chances of that scenario are slim, but there is a very slim chance it could happen. On one set of doors only the lock has been removed and a metal hand plate put over the hole on both sides of the door, because of this I feel the same should be done to all the other doors, any thoughts or suggestions would be welcome, I would hate to go to the landlord with a big list of faults and be told I am wrong!
firesafety101  
#2 Posted : 23 February 2011 10:54:34(UTC)
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sean, I too received my little door check set, and also impressed. I like the door checker as it provides a constant for the gaps, instead of just using my eyes etc. Your situation, I have to say depends upon the fire risk assessment, who is the RP? Has the RP carried out the fra? Can you access the fra? In my opinion a fire door should not have a lock as you describe and should remain available for use at all times persons are in the premises, what you describe sounds a bit dodgy - however I have not seen the location so can't be too prescriptive? There are some circumstances when a fire door can have a lock but, as I say, that depends on the fra. If there is a slim chance then that is too big a chance. I am interested in what you say about the lock having been removed and replaced with a door plate on both sides. Does this affect the integrity of the fire door, and is it possible for a fire to get through at this "weak point"?
sean  
#3 Posted : 23 February 2011 12:28:37(UTC)
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Hi Chris, thanks for your reply, I have read through the FRA but it doesn't mention having locks on the fire doors apart from the final doors which are locked but able to open from a push bar. I know that you know where I work, so I am unable to take photo's etc.. Which could easily explain the situation much better then my written explanation. I am not sure what to do next??
Dar1  
#4 Posted : 23 February 2011 12:59:53(UTC)
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Dar1

Hi Sean, would you still have the details about the link for the fire door checker.
Hospital Boy  
#5 Posted : 23 February 2011 13:13:41(UTC)
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Hospital Boy

All, Here is the link for the free fire door checker and DVD. You will need to register with them,but it is very helpful. http://www.bwf.org.uk/firedoors/ Cheers HB
MB1  
#6 Posted : 23 February 2011 13:18:42(UTC)
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MB1

Daft Q Sean... but has the lock been requested/installed by the user in the past? It may have been put there for some security reason in the past e.g. out of hours or even during holiday closure periods? If not then maybe discuss with your landlord.
sean  
#7 Posted : 23 February 2011 13:51:53(UTC)
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Good point MB1, it is a government building so in theory could have been used in the past for security reasons, that would also explain why only one set of doors has had the lock removed and covered by a metal plate to cover the hole. I will wait until the full building inspection has finished and consider my position of whether to pursue this matter or not. Thanks for your replies, and its well worth while sending off for your checker.
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