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My niece and her husband bought a cooker made by a company called Stoves about 2 years ago and the other night, the inside glass exploded sending hundreds of pieces of red hot glass through a gap in the door, onto the kitchen floor.
When they contacted the company, a chap said "Happens all the time mate." When asked what they were going to do about it, they said "Nothing." When my niece said she was going to phone watchdog, he added "We were on there a couple of years ago"
They wouldn't even pay for the replacement glass.
Question is, how can companies get away with producing equipment that is dangerous and they not only know this but they also accept it. Surely they have a duty to design out any problems like 'exploding glass' but the main problem is when it does explode, it can find it's way out.
Can't be right, surely?
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Frank
Appalled to hear about this incident and the apathetic manner of the supplier. Whilst there are laws to prevent the sale and supply of dangerous goods, most are specific to a workplace and not a domestic environment. In the first place I would contact the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) who will advise the best way forward, which may be contacting your local trading standards department.
Please do advise how you get on as I would be interested in the outcome.
Ray
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Consumer Protection issue = Local Trading Standards.
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Have heard of this happening and the manufacturers answer is that people must have used abrasive cleaners on the glass. Try proving you did not!!
Bob
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Sorry not a real H&S issue, I know that is broad statement but it is a consumer thing. It is very difficult to prove that the manufacturer or supplier is at fault. They simple have to say that you used the wrong type of cleaner and they are covered because how many peolple can prove they did not use a cleaner that could result in the problem that they experienced. Simply another means of getting out of thier responsibility bu clever legal interpritation of the statemsnt made. Sorry just get on with life.
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Bob, that's a bit harsh. I think you will find it was a question from a member of the public and it deserves a little more respect me thinks.
Whether or not the supplier/manufacturer can avoid any liability by claiming the wrong type of cleaning product has been used I think this matter should still be reported and properly investigated by the appropriate authority.
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I would tend to agree, RayRapp. Although a Consumer Protection issue, if Trading standards are aware and they can see a trend of this happening over a wide demographic, they may be spurred to investigate. The more reports they receive, the less likely every single incident could be put down to the same manufacturer's excuse.
Moreso, should someone be injured by this event, it could add weight to any attempt to claim compensation from the manufacturer if they can demonstrate the company's awareness over a long period of time.
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it is indeed a Comsumer protection issue. You can find quite a bit more information here, including some of the possible reasons why it happens:
http://www.ukwhitegoods....;pa=showpage&pid=219
It may be a manufacturing fault, but having read around the subject, I suspect that it generally isn't.
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In order to place such a product onto the market the manufacturer has to meet the requirements of the relevant standards, which in this case we can presume that they are. Above that, the manufacturer has to meet the General Product Safety Directive (GPSD) which is worded along the lines of ' No product should present an unacceptable risk in normal or reasonably foreseeable use'.
The assessment of the risk comes under the EU RAPEX legislation and since this is a brand name manufacturer who is aware of this problem, you would have thought that they would have carried out such an assessment. They are not required to talk to Trading Standards if the risk is not sufficiently high.
I would recommend that you report this to trading Standards and insist on a response ( Those who shout loudest...).
One of the key points to stress is that because the failure is known/common then it must be 'reasonably foreseeable' and the manufacturer cannot hide behind a claim of negligent cleaning.
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Ray if Bob S and I agree we surely cannot be wrong :-):-)
Unfortunately the tough love statement is the fairest in this situation because the manufacturers clearly identify abrasive cleaners as an issue with glass in oven doors. They always state do not use abrasive cleaners. Apparently it is to do with micro scrathes on the surface creating stress points. Try and find a cleaner that works and that guarantees it is abrasive free though!
Personally I would never voluntarily purchase an oven with glass in the door regardless of the fashion in kitchen design.
Bob
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Most, if not all, the inner glass panels are made from toughened glass. This is fantastic stuff, but does have well known failure modes. You also find it in car side windows, glass tables, etc
Try googling 'Prince Ruperts drops' to see some of the basic physics.
My reading has suggested that manufacturing faults usually become apparent quite quickly and the panels in those cases fail very early.
Then there is the use. If at any time a scatch can propagate through the outer layer into the inner area which is in tension the glass will fail spontaneously and spectacularly. This can happen as a result os mechanical scratching and particularly the growth of a crack due to the chemical environment (caustic substances do appear to be implicated, and these are commonly used for cleaning ovens as they are very good at removing grease).
Other causes of failure are thought to come from uneven stresses imposed on the glass.
Toughened glass tends to fail into pieces that are relatively safe to handle.
The only way to get rid of the problem is to get rid of the glass. With today's technology, the glass manufacturers have probably done the best they can.
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Thanks for some helpful advice (except the person who reckons they should just get on with life)
Could have been a completely different outcome if my niece had been bending down to check if the food in the oven was ready at the time of the explosion.
What if there are any types of these ovens in the kitchen of a workplace? Don't people need warning of the danger or do the manufacturer's not have to advise on the safe uses of (ie type of detergent/cleanser)
Ray, trading standards have been informed and i will update if/when we get a response from them.
PS...if it's not a H&S issue, i'm sure the mods can move it to a more suitable place.
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Bob L, I would not dare to disagree with such doyens of the safety industry. :)
Thanks for your post frankc and good wishes.
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