Welcome Guest! The IOSH forums are a free resource to both members and non-members. Login or register to use them

Postings made by forum users are personal opinions. IOSH is not responsible for the content or accuracy of any of the information contained in forum postings. Please carefully consider any advice you receive.

Notification

Icon
Error

Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Leslie3048  
#1 Posted : 17 March 2011 10:30:56(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
Leslie3048

Having audited a large number of construction sites including large refurbishments (which are in effect construction sites) I have found that some do have a "Site Diary", (may be called site log), and some do not. I am not talking about the log in/out sheets. I have always asked for the site diary/log as this would normally contain such things as: weather conditions, deliveries, visitors, audits, working hours, tool box talks etc. (weather, coz they may have to prove at a later date why they did not work on that day or why the project is delayed etc) I have always found this either kept elecronically or within the Site Construction Phase Plan (SCPP).
However, and here is the point, is there a legal duty to keep such a diary and if so where can I find it please?


Thanks

Les
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 17 March 2011 10:35:53(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
RayRapp

Site diaries are normally kept by the site supervisor but I am not aware there is a legal requirement, just good practice. Some diaries are more detailed than others depending on the individual, time constraints etc.
Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 17 March 2011 13:22:39(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
Ron Hunter

A dying art, once the diligent domain of the Clerk of Works perhaps?
bob youel  
#4 Posted : 17 March 2011 13:44:17(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
bob youel

A diary is a best practice area [and a great tool] noting that there is a requirement to maintain many records under many laws so appropriate records should be available in some sensible and readily available form or other but where these records are to be kept etc is not specified in law to my knowledge but logic says that such records should be in the management system for that site and the diary should be a support doc
firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 17 March 2011 14:47:02(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
firesafety101

Site diaries are excellent but I agree they are a dying art.

The only problem I can see is you need to know what to enter without a prompt therefore the content is never the same from site manager to site manager.

In the absence of the diary I try to provide as much as I can regarding recording forms, at least this way you can see what is required, however that does lead to more paper than enough.

To answer the question - no I don't think it is a requirement.
Mark Lovibond  
#6 Posted : 17 March 2011 15:30:17(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
Mark Lovibond

Hi Leslie,

A Site Diary/Construction Log is not a "legal" requirement but any PC Site Supervisor worth his/her salt will have one for several "potentially legal" reasons. They can be submitted as admissible evidence in a civil court to help dispute claims from the client when a project overruns or the public (noise dust nuisance etc). They could also be submiited in a criminal court when the PC faces a prosecution over H&S issues.

Most senior site staff (inspectors etc) also keep a running diary (like a policeman's notebook) as a reference aid and also to help protect themselves when something goes wrong and someone else is trying to shift blame on to them.



Check out this link

http://www.comitproject....ssmaps/narratives/p8.pdf

Leslie3048  
#7 Posted : 17 March 2011 18:48:15(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
Leslie3048


Mark.

Nice to see a veteran like myself (2RGJ) for 26 years on the forum! Thanks all for your inputs. It is as I suspected not a legal requirement. I agree though, it would be best practice to keep one.

Thanks again all

Regards

Les
SteveL  
#8 Posted : 18 March 2011 15:09:40(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
SteveL

Unsure as to the legal requirement, but in the event of fatality the HSE/police will claim the site diary.
Leslie3048  
#9 Posted : 22 March 2011 09:34:48(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
Leslie3048

Hi Mark. The link you sent doesn't work! Is there a bit missing in the middle??


Les
John M  
#10 Posted : 22 March 2011 09:46:43(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
John M

Can anyone lead me to where this "Best Practice" is documented or written?

Jon
Leslie3048  
#11 Posted : 22 March 2011 10:24:11(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
Leslie3048

Hi Mark. For some reason the link worked today!!

Thanks

Les
Leslie3048  
#12 Posted : 22 March 2011 10:31:45(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
Leslie3048

John
Best Practice:

A best practice is a technique or methodology that, through experience and research, has proven to reliably lead to a desired result. A commitment to using the best practices in any field is a commitment to using all the knowledge and technology at one's disposal to ensure success. The term is used frequently in the fields of health care, government administration, the education system, project management, hardware and software product development, and elsewhere.

Hope this helps

Les
Leslie3048  
#13 Posted : 22 March 2011 10:33:51(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
Leslie3048

John.
In addition:

A best practice tends to spread throughout a field or industry after a success has been demonstrated. However, it is often noted that demonstrated best practices can be slow to spread, even within an organization. However, the three main barriers to adoption of a best practice are a lack of knowledge about current best practices, a lack of motivation to make changes involved in their adoption, and a lack of knowledge and skills required to do so.


Les
John M  
#14 Posted : 22 March 2011 10:33:52(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
John M

But no authority for it!

Jon
Users browsing this topic
Guest
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.