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Hi All,
I'm trying to develop a full site Traning Needs anyalsis for my site. I've progressed pretty well but an area i'mm unsure about is electricans. We employee 6 electricans at present but when identifying what the trying needs are for the matrix and refresher period i'm unsure what is pratciable for electricans?
I have general electrical safety module listed (e-learning) but should all electricans be trained in the most recent IEE Standards as a minimum?
Thanks,
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The requirement for training in BS7671 depends if it applies to the work they do!
It does NOT apply to ALL electrical work undertaken by electricians, so it may not be a requirement.
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Speak to the sparks and their unions + trade associations + CITB and the like etc and as said it all depends on what they do as 'house bashing' is completely different too industrial
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If i was in your position i would be as little concerned regarding the initial request as you would expect the site duty holder (under the EAWR) to be aware of the training requirements of the staff under their control - unless of course this is also you! it does very much depend on their roles, industrial / commercial / domestic and needs reviewing further as either installation / maintenance, possibly down to individual equipment items or equipment groups. i would look at their current levels of training & competance and speak to the sparky's themselves - they are usually quite 'switched on' ----ouch!
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Regulation 16 of EAW Regs - No person shall be engaged in any work activity where technical knowledge or experience is necessary to prevent danger or, where appropriate, injury, unless he possesses such knowledge or experience, or is under such degree of supervision as may be appropriate having regard to the nature of the work.
The answer to your query depends on what type of electrical work your electricians are undertaking. Are you willing to divulge. If you are then I may be able to give you more precise information. PM if you wish.
Briefly, If the sparkys are fitting out domestic or industrial electrical installations then they ought to be NICEIC or JIB acreddited. If they are fitted electrotechnical systems such as datacomms, security/fire/sound&light systems then the should be ECS acreddited.
The JIB and ECS schemes are affiliated to CSCS and the cards carry the CSCS logoi in the form of a hologram.
Hope this helps a bit.
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Mark,
Sorry, but, an employed electrician cannot be accredited to NICEIC standards, this is only available for an "enterprise".
JIB is another kettle of fish.
IF the OP is using contractors then the NICEIC accreditation for the company will "over rule" the JIB for the individual sparks.
Whilst JIB is a valuable "qualification" which I personally hold, I cannot see the direct relevance to the OP.
Also there are other "acceptance schemes" similar to the NICEIC that can be selected to indicate the competence of an electrical installation “enterprise”.
Unfortunately this is a commercial market unlike "Gas Safe".
There are commercial pressures involved in approval of electrical contractors to the various “approved” schemes.
If anyone wants me to explain the ins & outs I will be pleased to do so as I personally hold a JIB card & I am an NICEIC “Approved Contractor” in my “own” right,
However, if the “sparks” concerned only ever work on installed machinery then forget 7671!
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You don't say what kind of 'site' you work at, however, you have to ensure as far as reasonably practicable, the competency of your electricians. I would suggest, as a minimum for LV work, they should have passed the C&G 17th Edition (BS7671) course.
As previously mentioned, there would be further requirements for machinery work and if they work on inverters, USPs or batteries.
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Rob,
Having done both the 16th & 17th Edition C&G courses then I can reassure you and others that they teach no electrical safety at all!
All they teach you is to find your way around a book and where to look for the regulations.
You need to understand which regulations are likely to apply to your work to be able to find them!
They will not teach anyone to be an electrician or even a better electrician.
Also their application is limited to the fixed electrical installation in buildings and as such has no relevance to machinery what so ever, and in fact this is excluded in their scope.
HTH
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