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Does any one have any best practices or info on automated external defibrillators (AED) in terms of response times and distances from where the are located? i.e how far should a AED be stored from any work area on a large industrial site?
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Does any one have any best practices or info on automated external defibrillators (AED) in terms of response times and distances from where the are located? i.e how far should a AED be stored from any work area on a large industrial site?
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We have a defibrillator on site where a person has an inherent heart defect. Their heart could stop at anytime for any reason and the defib was procured precisely for this person. It is to hand within the working area of said person. All other members of staff in the working vicinity agreed and were trained in the use of the defib (it actually is very simple to use and you don't need to be a first aider).
I then looked at procuring defibs for other sites but after researching meticulously felt their was no need and recommended so to my senior managers team. In the 32 years of the firms existence no one has ever had a heart attack whilst at work (we could have been lucky because of course you can have a heart attack any time any place).
The defib with training cost approx £1200.
Rich
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The window of opportunity is ten minutes at the farthest end of the scale. Brain cells begin to die after four minutes. From four minutes the survival rate drops by 10% per minute that the person is not breathing. After ten minutes this is down to small single figures and survival quite rare. The defib should be easily accessable, clearly signed and visable and must be retrieved and put on the person within the ten minutes. CPR should have been started immediately. Any person expected to use the defib must be trained in there use, but I agree they are easy to use if you follow its instructions.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the replies. I suspect we have a situation where it could take longer than 10 minutes for a AED to arrive. I am planning a controlled drill to see how long it would take for our defib to arrive at the location where I have a concern. We have first aiders in all areas who are trained in their use so thats not an issue.
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Thanks for the replies. I suspect we have a situation where it could take longer than 10 minutes for a AED to arrive. I am planning a controlled drill to see how long it would take for our defib to arrive at the location where I have a concern. We have first aiders in all areas who are trained in their use so thats not an issue.
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Chris,
Sounds like you may be in an area where there may be first responders... Have you checked out the local GP clinics etc that may be of help to you?
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If you speak to your local ambulance service they might place a defib on your site and they will ask you to cover other parts of the area.
If not get your company to buy one and right it off against tax:) or
You can hire them for around 29.00 per month.
Thanks
JW
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rich777 wrote:We have a defibrillator on site where a person has an inherent heart defect. Their heart could stop at anytime for any reason and the defib was procured precisely for this person. It is to hand within the working area of said person. All other members of staff in the working vicinity agreed and were trained in the use of the defib (it actually is very simple to use and you don't need to be a first aider).
I then looked at procuring defibs for other sites but after researching meticulously felt their was no need and recommended so to my senior managers team. In the 32 years of the firms existence no one has ever had a heart attack whilst at work (we could have been lucky because of course you can have a heart attack any time any place).
The defib with training cost approx £1200.
Rich
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Rich apologies, all thumbs. If this person has a heart defect that would result in sudden cardiac death, one would wonder why he has not been fitted with an implantable defibrillator, removing the necessity to have this level of cover at work. What protection do they have elsewhere? Although I do find it commendable that you have gone to great lengths for this person.
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talpidae wrote:Rich apologies, all thumbs. If this person has a heart defect that would result in sudden cardiac death, one would wonder why he has not been fitted with an implantable defibrillator, removing the necessity to have this level of cover at work. What protection do they have elsewhere? Although I do find it commendable that you have gone to great lengths for this person.
Talpidae Hi - I work in Education and the person I am referring to is a 4 year old girl. Out side of school she has cover where ever she goes provided by her parents. She is too young for the operation.
Rich
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Originally Posted by: kevkel  The window of opportunity is ten minutes at the farthest end of the scale. Brain cells begin to die after four minutes. From four minutes the survival rate drops by 10% per minute that the person is not breathing. After ten minutes this is down to small single figures and survival quite rare. The defib should be easily accessable, clearly signed and visable and must be retrieved and put on the person within the ten minutes. CPR should have been started immediately. Any person expected to use the defib must be trained in there use, but I agree they are easy to use if you follow its instructions.
Hope this helps.
Kevkel is spot on with the info povided. I would suggest siting it in a central location to were most people will be working - so it minimised the distance the AED. Also consider where is wil be stored i.e. in an office that gets locked at 5pm and workers are still on site until 8pm etc.
Other things to consider are weather conditions (if stored outdoors) and regular checks. I check ours each month and chnage pads or batteries as required. It will be no use to the patient if someone has to run about in a panic trying to find a battery! Also, people don't HAVE to be trained to use an AED, as they all use step by step instructions and can skip steps where someone has already put the pads on etc. The training helps with hesitancy, but not necessarily with how to use the equipment.
EDIT! Just noticed the thread is ten years old...but I'm sure the info will be useful to someone at some point so I'm leaving my comment here! Edited by user 02 August 2021 22:15:29(UTC)
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