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Linda G  
#1 Posted : 06 November 2012 14:11:46(UTC)
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Linda G

Following an incident where an employee had a piece of a disc from a hand held grinder embed in his face we are revisiting our PPE. I understand that visors will not protect from high impact objects and yet I have heard other professionals state that they proscribe wearing both high impact safety goggles and face visors and I wonder if this would impair the vision of the operative. Should we stipulate use of both goggles and visors when grinding (operations have to be done in the field and hand held grinders are the only option) or just state high impact goggles; the HSE guidance on this was not very helpful! The grinding operations are of an engineering type using metals. Your thoughts and experience much appreciated. Thank you
teh_boy  
#2 Posted : 06 November 2012 14:19:02(UTC)
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teh_boy

http://www.greenham.com/...ectionguides/eyewear.pdf You need to ensure that eye wear chosen complies with the EN standard BSEN166, if it does you don't need to double up. You also need to ensure suitable RA PPE is compatable PPE doesn't increase risk etc etc http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg174.pdf
Linda G  
#3 Posted : 06 November 2012 14:24:17(UTC)
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Linda G

Thank you tech boy, but what about face protection, will any face protection stop disc fragments? I am reviewing our current risk assessment and it simply states safety goggles and as we have had an incident where an operative was hit in the face I feel we need to do something as detecting hairline fractures in discs is not possible out in the field. Would you double up in this instance or would visibility make it impractical?
teh_boy  
#4 Posted : 06 November 2012 14:37:32(UTC)
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teh_boy

Linda G wrote:
Thank you tech boy, but what about face protection, will any face protection stop disc fragments? I am reviewing our current risk assessment and it simply states safety goggles and as we have had an incident where an operative was hit in the face I feel we need to do something as detecting hairline fractures in discs is not possible out in the field. Would you double up in this instance or would visibility make it impractical?
You need to refer to the standards I linked too. http://www.hse.gov.uk/fo...ocs/200-299/oc282_19.htm (there is a better pdf version somewhere but i don't have time to look) If the face-mask provides a rating suitable to the velocity of the fragments ejected then protection could be deemed satisfactory - ceteris paribus of course! I wouldn't double up - but then again it all depends - if the face mask has to be removed regularly it may be prudent too.... what I would do is bring in a manufacture of face and eye protection and ask for therir advice, from this I would trial a number of options with my staff and then let them have a say in the final option - this might help with buy in and compliance too! As for the exploding discs - I assume they are well maintained and only changed by competent persons with the appropriate training? - any chance of enclosing them behind a screen? that would protect passers by and not just the operator...
walker  
#5 Posted : 06 November 2012 14:56:59(UTC)
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walker

From a practical piont of view goggles are uncomfortable & steam up and difficult for prescription spec wearers. I recomend decent impact glasses (prescription if needed) AND a decent face mask. Impact glasses are manadatory in our factory areas (all tasks) I personally find this the most comfortable & practical solution Off at a tangent: you might like to google the recent incident that HSE prosecuted - it was somewhere in Lincoln.
Jeff Watt  
#6 Posted : 06 November 2012 15:04:38(UTC)
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Jeff Watt

Hi Linda hope this is helpful. On advice and input from engineers/fitters we moved from bench grinders to belt sanders for metal work. The same is available for portable applications, sometimes known as an electric file. Not sure if this is appropriate for the task in hand but worth a try as the outcome from a belt breaking is less severe than a disc busting. The difference between being hit with a flexible piece of paper and a solid fragment of a very hard disc. They are also more versatile in some circumstances e.g. having a long flat horizontal grinding surface can allow more abrasive to be applied to the work surface in a shorter time period. Here is an example of such a device http://solutions.3m.co.u...ications/MetalFinishing/ Kind regards Jeff
walker  
#7 Posted : 06 November 2012 15:34:15(UTC)
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walker

jeff watt wrote:
Hi Linda hope this is helpful. On advice and input from engineers/fitters we moved from bench grinders to belt sanders for metal work. The same is available for portable applications, sometimes known as an electric file. Not sure if this is appropriate for the task in hand but worth a try as the outcome from a belt breaking is less severe than a disc busting. The difference between being hit with a flexible piece of paper and a solid fragment of a very hard disc. They are also more versatile in some circumstances e.g. having a long flat horizontal grinding surface can allow more abrasive to be applied to the work surface in a shorter time period. Good advice: use safer method, nice and high in the hierarchy. I've replaced grinders with scrabblers on a fettle job for the same reason Here is an example of such a device http://solutions.3m.co.u...ications/MetalFinishing/ Kind regards Jeff
walker  
#8 Posted : 06 November 2012 15:35:23(UTC)
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walker

Sorry! Accidentally posted my reply within Jeffs text. Can Mods fix please???
B.Bruce  
#9 Posted : 06 November 2012 16:01:34(UTC)
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B.Bruce

Hi all, I was reading this post with interest and wondered if anyone knew the answer to this. What speed fragments of broken disc would be ejected from a hand-held grinder fitted with a standard 100mm disc? Thanks
walker  
#10 Posted : 06 November 2012 16:19:31(UTC)
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walker

B.Bruce wrote:
Hi all, I was reading this post with interest and wondered if anyone knew the answer to this. What speed fragments of broken disc would be ejected from a hand-held grinder fitted with a standard 100mm disc? Thanks
Not quite the answer you asked but here is an extract from my training material: 9” disc on a 9” machine Speed in Miles Per Hour Circumference = 9 x Pi (3.142) = 28.28” Convert to yards = 28.28 divide by 36 (Inches in a yard) = 0.7856 Multiply by RPM = 6640 x 0.7856 = 5216.38 (Yards in a minute) Multiply by minutes in an hour = 5216.38 x 60 = 312983 (yards in an hour) Divide by yards in a mile = 312983 divide by 1760 = 177.83 MPH 9” disc on a 4 ½ “ machine Circumference = 9 x Pi (3.142) = 28.28” Convert to yards = 28.28 divide by 36 (Inches in a yard) = 0.7856 Multiply by RPM = 13500 x 0.7856 = 10605.6 (Yards in a minute) Multiply by minutes in an hour = 10605.6 x 60 = 636336 (yards in an hour) Divide by yards in a mile = 636336 divide by 1760 = 361.55 MPH
Linda G  
#11 Posted : 07 November 2012 14:43:37(UTC)
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Linda G

Thanks everyone for your input - I'm off to consult with our engineers!
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