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ivorheadache  
#1 Posted : 21 August 2015 11:37:13(UTC)
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ivorheadache

Hi. Please help I'm advising an estate agency business who have had recent correspondence from environmental health as to how they are protecting their staff and customers from exposure to asbestos fibres in homes for sale. In the correspondence, the EHO has said: "I would expect that you would carry out a health & safety assessment of the risks relating to each property to ensure the health, safety and welfare of your employees and non employees". I have 2 thoughts on this. Is it 'reasonably practicable' to carry out asbestos surveys on every home that comes on to the market? This also raises another question: How can you protect the staff who are carrying out the asbestos survey? Isn't that a chicken and egg scenario? (wouldn't mind hearing from anyone involved in carrying out asbestos surveys on that one) Secondly, if they did do a generic risk assessment, wouldn't the risk v's likelihood (taking into account the likelihood of airbourne fibres during a visit x frequency of exposure) surly would come out negligible risk? And my daftest suggestion yet: All staff and customers to wear PPE (I know!!... but you can see my frustration here) I am discussing with colleagues, but though I would ask you good people here as you have helped me in the past. Thanks if anyone can give some thoughts.
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 21 August 2015 11:47:09(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I can only suggest (on the basis that your people may occasionally visit homes in a dilapidated state) that your staff are given basic awareness training and know what to do if suspect material (i.e. arising from damage) is encountered. There may be the very rare occasion where you have to get back to the vendor and suspend viewing until the all-clear is given? To attempt to discuss the potential for airborne fibres in what is to all intents and purposes a normal, every-day private home in the context of risk assessment is otherwise quite nonsensical.
RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 21 August 2015 11:55:46(UTC)
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RayRapp

It's a strange request. I would feel inclined to follow it up with...what do you suggest? When visiting the property it is probably not known whether it contains any ACMs, unless it belongs to a council or housing association - they may have an asbestos register for the property. ACMs are not normally in a dangerous state which might give cause for the concern. The only thing I can think of in terms of protecting the estate agent's staff is Asbestos Awareness Training. This would give them the necessary insight but in reality OTT in my opinion. PPE would be of little benefit unless it was at a level which could guarantee protection - not considered reasonably practicable in my opinion. Anyway the short duration of any potential exposure would negate the need for PPE.
xRockape  
#4 Posted : 21 August 2015 12:20:50(UTC)
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xRockape

The Sellers should know if there is Asbestos present from their previous survey. I know there is ACM in my house and where it is and that it is in good condition. So I suggest that the Estate Agent asks the Seller at the start of the process.
ivorheadache  
#5 Posted : 21 August 2015 13:03:27(UTC)
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ivorheadache

Thanks for the responses so far. I like the suggestion of getting back to the EHO asking for recommendations. It's interesting that fire authority deficiency reports always carry recommendations but this one has not. Also that this one is using the H&SAWA as opposed to CAR. Also, agree with your suggestions of asbestos awareness training and asking sellers for information up front. this is probably the route we may go down.
Safety Smurf  
#6 Posted : 21 August 2015 13:42:24(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

xRockape wrote:
The Sellers should know if there is Asbestos present from their previous survey. I know there is ACM in my house and where it is and that it is in good condition. So I suggest that the Estate Agent asks the Seller at the start of the process.
that assumes that the house was bought in more recent and enlightened times. I bought my house in 96 from the council and wasn't given any information at all. the only survey done was for valuation. that was before I started my career in H&S and I didn't have a clue about asbestos. And yes, quite a bit of it! it was built in 54
bob youel  
#7 Posted : 22 August 2015 07:47:54(UTC)
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bob youel

where are we going with this country??? I would go with the answers already supplied [Ray-Ron etc.] and it shows yet again just how poor competency is out there in the world
WatsonD  
#8 Posted : 12 August 2021 14:42:50(UTC)
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WatsonD

Reported

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Roundtuit  
#9 Posted : 12 August 2021 14:55:19(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Reported

Roundtuit  
#10 Posted : 12 August 2021 14:55:19(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Reported

HSSnail  
#11 Posted : 12 August 2021 15:06:22(UTC)
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HSSnail

Originally Posted by: ivorheadache Go to Quoted Post
Hi. Please help I'm advising an estate agency business who have had recent correspondence from environmental health as to how they are protecting their staff and customers from exposure to asbestos fibres in homes for sale. In the correspondence, the EHO has said: "I would expect that you would carry out a health & safety assessment of the risks relating to each property to ensure the health, safety and welfare of your employees and non employees". I have 2 thoughts on this. Is it 'reasonably practicable' to carry out asbestos surveys on every home that comes on to the market? This also raises another question: How can you protect the staff who are carrying out the asbestos survey? Isn't that a chicken and egg scenario? (wouldn't mind hearing from anyone involved in carrying out asbestos surveys on that one) Secondly, if they did do a generic risk assessment, wouldn't the risk v's likelihood (taking into account the likelihood of airbourne fibres during a visit x frequency of exposure) surly would come out negligible risk? And my daftest suggestion yet: All staff and customers to wear PPE (I know!!... but you can see my frustration here) I am discussing with colleagues, but though I would ask you good people here as you have helped me in the past. Thanks if anyone can give some thoughts.

Ivor - i was a local authority inspector for over 30 years - and this ranks high in the risk of madness i have read. Duty to manage does not apply to domestic property. As an EHO this person probably visits private homes on a regular basis to see complaints etc. Ask them if you can see their asbestos risk assessment as guide to what you should be doing.

peter gotch  
#12 Posted : 12 August 2021 15:21:30(UTC)
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peter gotch

Could there be a link between GavenRank and MitraSurik?

One a repeat offender (in terms of Rule 8) who doesn't actually seem to have included a link today, followed up quickly by a newbie on the site who is straight in with the advert.

HSSnail  
#13 Posted : 12 August 2021 15:23:53(UTC)
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HSSnail

Originally Posted by: peter gotch Go to Quoted Post

Could there be a link between GavenRank and MitraSurik?

One a repeat offender (in terms of Rule 8) who doesn't actually seem to have included a link today, followed up quickly by a newbie on the site who is straight in with the advert.

Love the fact you have thanked him Peter - slip of the finger i think LOL

RVThompson  
#14 Posted : 12 August 2021 15:25:38(UTC)
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RVThompson

Tag-team spamming!

peter gotch  
#15 Posted : 12 August 2021 20:48:23(UTC)
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peter gotch

Brian - correct - slip of the finger, which I have now sorted!

jodieclark1510  
#16 Posted : 16 August 2021 13:02:15(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

If the staff aren't competent to conduct a survey, don't have them do it. Leave the surveys to someone who is competent.

HSSnail  
#17 Posted : 16 August 2021 13:47:29(UTC)
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HSSnail

Originally Posted by: jodieclark1510 Go to Quoted Post

If the staff aren't competent to conduct a survey, don't have them do it. Leave the surveys to someone who is competent.

Jodie i think you and i are reading this post very differently, I dont think this is about doing an asbestos survay - i think its about estate agents going into a domestic house to value the property. A little bit of asbestos awareness training would not go amiss but i dont see it as a significant hazard for the industry, its not like they will be disturbing anything. - lone working has shown to be far more of a concern.

jodieclark1510  
#18 Posted : 19 August 2021 15:13:35(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

Jodie i think you and i are reading this post very differently, I dont think this is about doing an asbestos survay - i think its about estate agents going into a domestic house to value the property. A little bit of asbestos awareness training would not go amiss but i dont see it as a significant hazard for the industry, its not like they will be disturbing anything. - lone working has shown to be far more of a concern.

Brian the OP mentioned:

"How can you protect the staff who are carrying out the asbestos survey? Isn't that a chicken and egg scenario?"

Roundtuit  
#19 Posted : 19 August 2021 15:20:10(UTC)
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Roundtuit

The OP asked their question six years ago in 2015 which was when the post died a natural death

Their last recorded visit to the forum was 12 months ago on 20th July 2020

Unfortunately SPAMMER resurrection has brought it back up the listing

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Roundtuit  
#20 Posted : 19 August 2021 15:20:10(UTC)
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Roundtuit

The OP asked their question six years ago in 2015 which was when the post died a natural death

Their last recorded visit to the forum was 12 months ago on 20th July 2020

Unfortunately SPAMMER resurrection has brought it back up the listing

thanks 4 users thanked Roundtuit for this useful post.
peter gotch on 19/08/2021(UTC), RVThompson on 20/08/2021(UTC), peter gotch on 19/08/2021(UTC), RVThompson on 20/08/2021(UTC)
Alan Haynes  
#21 Posted : 19 August 2021 16:16:52(UTC)
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Alan Haynes

Originally Posted by: Roundtuit Go to Quoted Post
The OP asked their question six years ago in 2015 which was when the post died a natural deathTheir last recorded visit to the forum was 12 months ago on 20th July 2020Unfortunately SPAMMER resurrection has brought it back up the listing
Spammers frequently use old posts - perhaps posts on to a post that has been inactive for (say) 3 months should automatically be reviewed by whoever moderates before being posted.
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HSSnail  
#22 Posted : 24 August 2021 08:48:19(UTC)
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HSSnail

Originally Posted by: jodieclark1510 Go to Quoted Post

Jodie i think you and i are reading this post very differently, I dont think this is about doing an asbestos survay - i think its about estate agents going into a domestic house to value the property. A little bit of asbestos awareness training would not go amiss but i dont see it as a significant hazard for the industry, its not like they will be disturbing anything. - lone working has shown to be far more of a concern.

Brian the OP mentioned:

"How can you protect the staff who are carrying out the asbestos survey? Isn't that a chicken and egg scenario?"

Your right i had missed that bit - but still why would an estate agent need to do an asbestos survay of a dometic proerty for sale. Utten nionesence - I had also missed the post was 6 years old!

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