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BeckiHerrin  
#1 Posted : 21 May 2019 13:45:14(UTC)
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BeckiHerrin

After some advice reference the use of tight fitting gloves and the use of a pillar/pedestal drills.

What are the thoughts of the use of tight fitting gloves when using these machines? Most safety data states no gloves, but tight fitting clothing/protective clothing is recommended. My logic here (rightly or wrongly) would be that gloves could be worn in this instance. The instance I am looking at is following an injury where an employee cut himself on metal which was to be worked on the pedestal drill. When operating the drill the employees’ hands are placed on the feed lever and other on the head. Their hands are nowhere near the drill piece itself throughout the 2 minute procedure.

I've tured to get onto the HSE webiste for HSG129 but the page is down.

Thoughts and comments gretly apprecited!

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 21 May 2019 14:27:47(UTC)
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Roundtuit

http://forum.iosh.co.uk/posts/t128383-Exemption-from-gloves

Opposite stance was recently discussed regarding the potential for entanglement

Tight fitting clothing is about removing loose flapping garments from becoming entangled unfortunately you are stretching the definition to think it can also include gloves.

It can be an awkward proposition protecting hands whilst moving the work piece but then removing protection during processing activity.

Personally I would insist on the drilling being conducted without gloves - if skin gets snagged it tears leaving a cut, if a glove gets snagged it drags the operative in to the machinery

Have you considered open mits? These protect the hand during handling but are so awkward to operate machinery the employee naturally removes them.

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Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 21 May 2019 14:27:47(UTC)
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Roundtuit

http://forum.iosh.co.uk/posts/t128383-Exemption-from-gloves

Opposite stance was recently discussed regarding the potential for entanglement

Tight fitting clothing is about removing loose flapping garments from becoming entangled unfortunately you are stretching the definition to think it can also include gloves.

It can be an awkward proposition protecting hands whilst moving the work piece but then removing protection during processing activity.

Personally I would insist on the drilling being conducted without gloves - if skin gets snagged it tears leaving a cut, if a glove gets snagged it drags the operative in to the machinery

Have you considered open mits? These protect the hand during handling but are so awkward to operate machinery the employee naturally removes them.

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chris.packham  
#4 Posted : 21 May 2019 15:37:00(UTC)
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chris.packham

One other aspect of this is that I presume you are using a metalworking fluid when drilling. The type of tight fitting glove that you would use as protection against physical hazards would almost certainly become saturated with this increasing the contact between the fluid and the skin. This could considerably increase the risk of developing either allergic or irritant contact dermatitis (or both).

BeckiHerrin  
#5 Posted : 22 May 2019 05:45:14(UTC)
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BeckiHerrin

Thanks for these inputs - greatly appreciated.

CptBeaky  
#6 Posted : 22 May 2019 08:13:50(UTC)
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CptBeaky

We have plenty of pillar drills here. We do not allow any sort of gloves whilst operating them because of the entanglement risk. 

https://press.hse.gov.uk/2019/03/05/foundry-prosecuted-after-worker-severely-injured-by-bench-drill/

Whilst this was heavy duty gloves, it does highlight the issue

JohnW  
#7 Posted : 22 May 2019 10:53:11(UTC)
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JohnW

Would others here consider latex/nitrile gloves are safe to wear with drills? Any snag of those gloves and they would just rip off?

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Roundtuit  
#8 Posted : 22 May 2019 11:03:35(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Not really - they provide absolutely no protection against sharp edges or swarf

I once saw an engineer with a large red welt around their wrist - they had left disposable gloves on and went to use a drill - the body of the glove tore easily but the rolled collar took a bit more effort to snap

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Roundtuit  
#9 Posted : 22 May 2019 11:03:35(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Not really - they provide absolutely no protection against sharp edges or swarf

I once saw an engineer with a large red welt around their wrist - they had left disposable gloves on and went to use a drill - the body of the glove tore easily but the rolled collar took a bit more effort to snap

thanks 2 users thanked Roundtuit for this useful post.
JohnW on 23/05/2019(UTC), JohnW on 23/05/2019(UTC)
Benz3ne  
#10 Posted : 22 May 2019 15:15:16(UTC)
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Benz3ne

I agree with the majority here, tight-fitting clothing means no loose sleeves, open jackets etc. 'No gloves' stipulation means 'no gloves'. I'd say entanglement is potentially worse than abrasion or cuts. 

chris42  
#11 Posted : 22 May 2019 16:12:13(UTC)
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chris42

Before jumping to PPE should you not consider de-burring the workpiece before drilling ? it is another operation to do but one would hope before you finish the product the sharp edges are removed, so has to be done at some stage. When I was an apprentice I was told to de-burr things as I went along as good practice, still do when I make things at home.

Chris

PS had 3 attempts to respond to this thread yesterday, but web site would not play nice, so gave up.

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