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seanoliver68  
#1 Posted : 11 November 2019 15:45:54(UTC)
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seanoliver68

Hi All

i have had someone from the recruitment / agency side of our business contact me in regards to an electrican working for them on a project.

the project manager is asking is there any restrictions to him working/ working at heights etc.

not something i have faced prior.

i did however note to the agency recruitment team that medical conditions should of been noted prior to deployment

thanks for any advice.

Cheers sean

Hsquared14  
#2 Posted : 12 November 2019 11:20:41(UTC)
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Hsquared14

How about talking to the person with the condition?  They will be the expert in what they can and can't do and whether their deployment is reasonable or not.  The one main thing that people with chronic health problems hate above all is uninformed people making judgements about what they can and can't do without consulting them first.  By all means gather information before you talk to them but please don't make assumptions about them based on Dr Google!

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A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 12 November 2019 11:34:45(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

This often crops up on the forum: I have an employee with an “issue”. What do I do about it?

In most cases the answer is to talk to the employee and ask them what they see the issue actually is and how they think it can be best managed. They live with it and they best understand what limitations, if any it may pose.

Why the fear of talking to the employee?

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Dazzling Puddock  
#4 Posted : 12 November 2019 14:23:15(UTC)
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Dazzling Puddock

From my reading of the OP the person in question is not an employee but a member of agency staff provided for a project?

I have dealt with numerous cases where the employee swears blind they are capable of all tasks when it is obvious to everyone except the person with the issue that there is a problem.

If he was my employee I would have him visit OH if I was infomed of any adverse incidents or behaviours observed.

Has there been any report of any incidents or concerns amongst others working on the site?

seanoliver68  
#5 Posted : 12 November 2019 15:31:47(UTC)
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seanoliver68

Hi Guys, 

I was after guidance on what the protocols where of having someone with parkinsons working on a building site (if any). Now im all up for "talking" to said person but from diving deeper into this it seems he has completed a medical questionnaire for the agency supplying him to the client/job and also a site induction/ health questionniare none in which he has stipulated anything about parkinsons.

he has out of his own admission come to the project manager of the project and stated he has parkinsons, the PM has come back to the agency asking what to do/ can he work etc.

from seeking further advice on this matter it is required to know what stage his parkinsons is at to determine what processes are put in place.

jmaclaughlin  
#6 Posted : 13 November 2019 09:50:55(UTC)
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jmaclaughlin

I would be more inclined to consider the safety aspects, is it safe for the person to be working unaccompanied?, is it safe for them to be working near live distribution boards given you need a steady hand, are they likely to drop things due to possible reduced grip/motor skills, working at height would be a definite no on the grounds that it is a foreseeable risk of loss of balance/grip.

Presumably there is medication involved, some of which will probably have side effects or is prohibited on construction sites.

 In all likelihood I would be only considering them for a supervisory or mentoring role, would regretfully not consider them for a safety critical role.

chrisfromtaunton  
#7 Posted : 13 November 2019 12:05:17(UTC)
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chrisfromtaunton

Parkinsons is a degenerative condition.  So is ageing. 

Its a pretty broad church. And self certification of capability may be too heavily reliant on the individual's attitude to the condition.

Have a look at Jimmy Choi on youtube to get an impression of how the condition can be managed.  The guy has done over 100 half marathons, Ninja etc.  

Observation and or clinical advice on capability are advised if there are risks involved.  For example a Parkinson driver needs his GP to approve their driving capability ever 3 years.

shaunosborne  
#8 Posted : 13 November 2019 15:15:01(UTC)
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shaunosborne

My thoughts: The condition is different from person to person, so any task needs to be assessed with their individual needs in mind, rather than looking at Parkinsons generally. I know that Parkinsons can affect mobility and balance, but that might not be a symptom in this case. As mentioned already, it is degenerative, so this also needs to be an ongoing process of communicating with the individual about changes in their condition. Scheduling a fairly short review time on any assessments might be advisable until you have an idea of how things are progressing.

jwk  
#9 Posted : 14 November 2019 09:21:35(UTC)
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jwk

Just remembering an anecdote in one of Oliver Sachs' books about flying with an elderly pilot with Parkinson's. He had a severe tremor, but once in the air he was fine. Parkinsonian tremor is a resting tremor, and often disappears when the muscles are under direction. Of course in the later stages there are all sorts of other debilitating symptoms, and it will probably become totally disabling. But as others have said, if the person concerned considers that they can work then talk to them, get advice from OH, and give them every reasonable opportunity to continue in employment.

I agree he should have declared the condition on his Agency paperwork, but he didn't, and if nobody spotted it then I guess we can assume it's early stage - but get OH advice, I would,

John

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