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mikecarr  
#1 Posted : 13 November 2019 14:09:36(UTC)
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mikecarr

Just wondering why fratures to fingers and toes are not RIDDOR reportable but other fractures are?

biker1  
#2 Posted : 13 November 2019 14:23:43(UTC)
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biker1

Don't know. Why do you have to report to the police if you knock down a dog with your car, but not a cat?

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jwk  
#3 Posted : 13 November 2019 14:24:00(UTC)
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jwk

I've ofetn wondered the same... Part of me thinks, well, it's just a finger, we break those all the time (!!!), but maybe its to do with fingers & toes being mopped up under the over-7-day category but not being considered life-changing injuries in the way that major limb fractures can be, at least temporarily?

But really I'm in the dark,

John

Elfin Davy 09  
#4 Posted : 13 November 2019 15:05:43(UTC)
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Elfin Davy 09

Fair question, but the treatment is different too isn't it ?  For finger / toe fractures they tend to simply strap them up against the next one and leave them to heal, whereas other fractures tend to be placed in plaster for 6 weeks.

Finger / toe discrimination issue perhaps ???   :-)

Roundtuit  
#5 Posted : 13 November 2019 15:07:00(UTC)
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Roundtuit

I would go with toe/finger fractures not causing as much incapacity as other types of fracture.

Cats are not a listed animal under the reporting "duties in case of an accident" of the Road Traffic Act

The listed animals are meant to be under the control of their owner - no one controls cats.

Roundtuit  
#6 Posted : 13 November 2019 15:07:00(UTC)
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Roundtuit

I would go with toe/finger fractures not causing as much incapacity as other types of fracture.

Cats are not a listed animal under the reporting "duties in case of an accident" of the Road Traffic Act

The listed animals are meant to be under the control of their owner - no one controls cats.

jwk  
#7 Posted : 13 November 2019 15:46:45(UTC)
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jwk

Elfin,

That's a reasonable answer, but isn't strapping a fairly recent approach? More recent than say the original RIDDOR regs? At one point didn't they put the whole hand or foot in plaster? Or am I thinking of hospital scenes from Carry-On films?

John

Elfin Davy 09  
#8 Posted : 13 November 2019 16:19:03(UTC)
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Elfin Davy 09

Ooooooooooooooh Matron !

boblewis  
#9 Posted : 13 November 2019 22:38:47(UTC)
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boblewis

Originally Posted by: Elfin Davy 09 Go to Quoted Post
Fair question, but the treatment is different too isn't it ? For finger / toe fractures they tend to simply strap them up against the next one and leave them to heal, whereas other fractures tend to be placed in plaster for 6 weeks. Finger / toe discriminationissue perhaps??? :-)
Just think we are being fingerist or toeist
Zyggy  
#10 Posted : 14 November 2019 07:24:24(UTC)
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Zyggy

I blame digital technology...everybody else does..:-)
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Ian Bell2  
#11 Posted : 14 November 2019 07:35:11(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

#5 Cats control their owners - feed me!!

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Hsquared14  
#12 Posted : 14 November 2019 15:54:17(UTC)
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Hsquared14

Cats most certainly have staff that do everything for them!!

On the question of finger and toe fractures these have never been included in RIDDOR on the basis that you can fracture them relatively easily and even do so without knowing you have done it.  My physiotherapist told me the other week that 75% of toe fractures go unnoticed until some sort of deformity happens because they just either don't hurt or get ignored.  Toes are relatively easy to fracture too - can you imagine what would happen to the RIDOOR stats if every toe fracture caused by banging your foot on the desk leg was reportable?  Treatment is also pretty limited with the majority of toe and finger fractures not receiving any treatment at all despite the hand / foot owner presenting at A&E.  These days they don't even strap fingers and toes because they have found that this generally causes more disability and deformity.  So I think fingers and toes are excluded from the pragmatic point of view of not making a rod for your own back!

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HSSnail  
#13 Posted : 15 November 2019 08:32:00(UTC)
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HSSnail

Would a Rod for your own back be covered by PUWER?

sorry its been a long week - ill get my coat!

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chris42  
#14 Posted : 15 November 2019 09:08:16(UTC)
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chris42

Would hands be LOLER as they are for lifting.

Yes, we wouldn’t want to trouble the HSE with unnecessary reports now would we :0)

Agree a very long week, and I haven’t taken my coat off (not until the heater warms the room a bit more).

Chris

P Barrett  
#15 Posted : 16 November 2019 07:34:12(UTC)
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P Barrett

Originally Posted by: jwk Go to Quoted Post

Elfin,

That's a reasonable answer, but isn't strapping a fairly recent approach? More recent than say the original RIDDOR regs? At one point didn't they put the whole hand or foot in plaster? Or am I thinking of hospital scenes from Carry-On films?

John

Strapping fractured fingers and toes together ( that really could be a scene from a carry on film) has happened ever since someone invented strapping. Or should I say strapping fingers or toes to adjacent digits has happened.

Hsquared14  
#16 Posted : 18 November 2019 15:28:50(UTC)
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Hsquared14

Originally Posted by: P Barrett Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: jwk Go to Quoted Post

Elfin,

That's a reasonable answer, but isn't strapping a fairly recent approach? More recent than say the original RIDDOR regs? At one point didn't they put the whole hand or foot in plaster? Or am I thinking of hospital scenes from Carry-On films?

John

Strapping fractured fingers and toes together ( that really could be a scene from a carry on film) has happened ever since someone invented strapping. Or should I say strapping fingers or toes to adjacent digits has happened.

I think I know the scene you mean - lol

When I broke my toe I was told they don't strap fingers and toes anymore because it interferes with the way the digit naturally moves and aligns and can cut off blood supply.  I was just told to wear comfortable shoes until the toe got better and wasn't swollen or painful anymore.  It went some interesting colours though - shame I can't attach the pictures on here!!

A Kurdziel  
#17 Posted : 18 November 2019 15:37:22(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Jokes aside it’s probably one of these left overs from the Factories Act when fractures to toes and fingers were so common that the old Inspectorate just were not interested.

Mark-W  
#18 Posted : 19 November 2019 11:54:56(UTC)
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Mark-W

Whilst living in Germany in the early 90's, I broke a finger quite badly. Went to German A&E and had the finger set and a cast put on up to my elbow. With an appointment made for 6 weks to come back and possibly have it rebroken to set it properly.

Went into work on the Monday and the Army Dr, removed the cast, strapped it to the next finger and then told me to crack on and man up. He also cancelled my appointment as the Army wouldn't pay for the treatment apart from that I had already received.

My finger is still a bit wonky but not noticable unless you look really closely.

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Elfin Davy 09  
#19 Posted : 19 November 2019 13:19:42(UTC)
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Elfin Davy 09

Ah, the good old days when things were done properly - made me quite emotional that did...  :-)

O'Donnell54548  
#20 Posted : 19 November 2019 14:04:56(UTC)
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O'Donnell54548

Originally Posted by: Mark-W Go to Quoted Post

Whilst living in Germany in the early 90's, I broke a finger quite badly. Went to German A&E and had the finger set and a cast put on up to my elbow. With an appointment made for 6 weks to come back and possibly have it rebroken to set it properly.

Went into work on the Monday and the Army Dr, removed the cast, strapped it to the next finger and then told me to crack on and man up. He also cancelled my appointment as the Army wouldn't pay for the treatment apart from that I had already received.

My finger is still a bit wonky but not noticable unless you look really closely.

I hope it was not your trigger finger?

Mark-W  
#21 Posted : 19 November 2019 14:25:05(UTC)
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Mark-W

Originally Posted by: O'Donnell54548 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mark-W Go to Quoted Post

I hope it was not your trigger finger?

No, index finger of the left hand. Despite rumours, I never saw a left handed rifle, despite being told they did exist.

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