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Mosh  
#1 Posted : 21 January 2020 15:58:33(UTC)
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Mosh

I understand that the doors of an electric meter or gas meter cupboard should be fire doors and locked shut.

In a residential block of flats this will cause some problems for the residents who want to check their meters and can't get hold of the key. Can the doors be locked shut with just a bolt?

Also, what if the meters are in the garden in a cupboard attached to the building wall? Do they need fire doors - locked shut?

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 21 January 2020 19:03:22(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Well you are obviously better informed than the rest of us - please advise which specfic regulation demands meters be locked behind fire doors.

FYI meters belong to the supply company and they have a right of access at all times so if  you apply a lock they will simply force it open if the key is not readily available.

I do understand in communal buildings or ones with public access a desire to prevent "others" messing with the meter.

FYI the gas meter to properties where I live are in plastic boxes with a simple triangle head key

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 21 January 2020 19:03:22(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Well you are obviously better informed than the rest of us - please advise which specfic regulation demands meters be locked behind fire doors.

FYI meters belong to the supply company and they have a right of access at all times so if  you apply a lock they will simply force it open if the key is not readily available.

I do understand in communal buildings or ones with public access a desire to prevent "others" messing with the meter.

FYI the gas meter to properties where I live are in plastic boxes with a simple triangle head key

Elbailer  
#4 Posted : 21 January 2020 21:37:10(UTC)
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Elbailer

I believe meters need to be legally checked by a competent person, who usually checks every meter irrespective of provider to make sure they haven't been tampered with, etc., and confirm readings as customers generally can submit readings electronically, so it verifies consumption of gas/electricity.  Most houses have plastic covered cabinets (over a gas meter so its open to the air) and a "cupboard" for the electricity supply.  Most are fitted with a triangle "standard" utility key so that "anyone" can access it if you have a key.  You cannot prevent legitimate access otherwise your cupboard will be forced and you will have to repair/cover the cost.

Kim Hedges  
#5 Posted : 21 January 2020 22:51:36(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

My house meter has a lead seal on it and a number on the actual meter.  Now as far as I am aware, the gas and or electric company record both the reading and sometimes the meter number, depends on them.

Unless told otherwise, I would let the tennant use a triangle key, the keys are cheap and are easily available. 

Keep it simple.  

Mosh  
#6 Posted : 21 January 2020 23:05:45(UTC)
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Mosh

Thank you Roundtuit. I guess that answers my question about the gas meter in the garden.

However, if the meter cupboard is in the escape route of a block of flats, would it still not require any sort of fire door, with a 'Fire door, keep locked shut' sign?

Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 22 January 2020 09:10:04(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Now you are in the realms of BS 9991 2015 Fire Safety in the design and use of residential buidlings

Clause 43 specifically addresses Gas and electricity meters where there is an exception if the meter is of fire-resisting construction, housed in a protected compartment (of fire resisting construction) or the pipe/govenor incorporates a device to automatically cut off the flow of gas when the device temperature exceeds 95 C.

Here there is a regulatory reference to the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998 and under the section meter housings paraphrased as "no person shall install a meter in a box/compound unless the consumer has been provided with a suitably labelled key".

So in answer to your original post it would appear a fire resistant meter box (NOT a fire Door) that can be secured is required when installed on the escape route of a block of flats when the meter is NOT of fire resisting construction nor is the supply fitted with an auto cut-off device.

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Roundtuit  
#8 Posted : 22 January 2020 09:10:04(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Now you are in the realms of BS 9991 2015 Fire Safety in the design and use of residential buidlings

Clause 43 specifically addresses Gas and electricity meters where there is an exception if the meter is of fire-resisting construction, housed in a protected compartment (of fire resisting construction) or the pipe/govenor incorporates a device to automatically cut off the flow of gas when the device temperature exceeds 95 C.

Here there is a regulatory reference to the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998 and under the section meter housings paraphrased as "no person shall install a meter in a box/compound unless the consumer has been provided with a suitably labelled key".

So in answer to your original post it would appear a fire resistant meter box (NOT a fire Door) that can be secured is required when installed on the escape route of a block of flats when the meter is NOT of fire resisting construction nor is the supply fitted with an auto cut-off device.

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kevkel  
#9 Posted : 22 January 2020 09:24:45(UTC)
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kevkel

Hi Mosh,

You are correct. The management company will keep this area locked and will read the meters when requested. Access to the general population is usually restricted.

Kevin

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ttxela  
#10 Posted : 22 January 2020 10:13:14(UTC)
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ttxela

Admittedly I have no experience of blocks of flats but I'm not convinced by this talk of meter readers ripping locked doors off at will like the incredible hulk with impunity.

At home, whilst my electricity meter is accessible from outside in the triangle key box thing, my gas meter is inside the house, I have yet to come home and find my front door flung across the garden by a raging meter reader.

At work both gas and electric meters are all inside and yes they are behind locked fire doors, I believe this is more due to the fact they are located in plant rooms and service ducts than anything else. Normally a nice civilised fellow turns up to read them and waits patiently whilst someone finds me to unlock the doors, seems a perfectly workable arrangement......

Roundtuit  
#11 Posted : 22 January 2020 10:25:30(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Personally I didn't talk about meter readers which nowadays is a sub-contracted activity.

Kevkel - if tennants have their own supply arrangements in what way does that make a management company the "consumer" and therefore key holder? Particularly where access is required to insert a pre-payment key

Edited by user 22 January 2020 10:40:01(UTC)  | Reason: Pre-payment key

Roundtuit  
#12 Posted : 22 January 2020 10:25:30(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Personally I didn't talk about meter readers which nowadays is a sub-contracted activity.

Kevkel - if tennants have their own supply arrangements in what way does that make a management company the "consumer" and therefore key holder? Particularly where access is required to insert a pre-payment key

Edited by user 22 January 2020 10:40:01(UTC)  | Reason: Pre-payment key

Mosh  
#13 Posted : 22 January 2020 11:15:31(UTC)
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Mosh

Thank you Roundtuit.

Based on your reply, the meters should have fire resistance, and should be secured.

So, back to the original question, can it be secured with a simple bolt, rather than a key?

Roundtuit  
#14 Posted : 22 January 2020 11:56:20(UTC)
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Roundtuit

A (draw) bolt is only secure when it is padlocked - if your intention was to merely use the bolt as a closure then it is less secure than a key operated device which only key holders can operate.

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Roundtuit  
#15 Posted : 22 January 2020 11:56:20(UTC)
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Roundtuit

A (draw) bolt is only secure when it is padlocked - if your intention was to merely use the bolt as a closure then it is less secure than a key operated device which only key holders can operate.

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