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Mhuirem  
#1 Posted : 21 January 2020 14:00:34(UTC)
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Mhuirem

Is it really neccessary to review policies and procedures every year or can it be done 3 yearly with a review in between if there is a specific change to either legislation or the company's policy?  I am referring to general policies and procedures and not the policy statement or risk assessments which are all yearly.

Edited by user 21 January 2020 14:01:25(UTC)  | Reason: Typo

A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 21 January 2020 14:13:10(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

You can review your policies and procedures documentation as and whenever you want. I always used to do mine every two years but 3 years is acceptable expect you need to make sure that they are still relevant. Where a lot of organisations fall down is that they allow things to “drift” and you realise that the policies and procedures etc do not refer to what is happening now but what might have been going on years ago. For example you might say that a particular role holder must sign of a particular risk assessment. If their role has gone; what do you do?

 

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Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 21 January 2020 19:45:21(UTC)
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Roundtuit

isn't that the thrust of the HSE statement on review - after x years or where there is a significant change?

Removing a relevant post holder is to my mind a significant change after all it's only when they've gone do people realise what it was they were employed to do.

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Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 21 January 2020 19:45:21(UTC)
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Roundtuit

isn't that the thrust of the HSE statement on review - after x years or where there is a significant change?

Removing a relevant post holder is to my mind a significant change after all it's only when they've gone do people realise what it was they were employed to do.

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craigroberts76  
#5 Posted : 21 January 2020 20:55:47(UTC)
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craigroberts76

Any chas or constructionline (in our sector) application will be rejected if policies are more than 12 months old.  ISO I believe requires 12 monthly too

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A Kurdziel  
#6 Posted : 22 January 2020 10:00:03(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I am not sure if ISO standards set a review date. When I worked to ISO 9001 we set 2 years and the auditors were happy with this as long as we stuck to it.

Yes you would think that a wholesale reorganisation would lead to a complete review of all documentation etc. But what happens if the person responsible for reviewing the documentation is the one who has been got rid of? What if nobody cares enough to review the documentation until the review date comes and goes and then it becomes a priority?

Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 22 January 2020 10:32:45(UTC)
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Roundtuit

It only becomes a priority when someone external is scrutinising - so if you are not CHAS, Constructionline etc. or certified as meeting the requirements of ISO 9001, ISO 14001, ISO 45001 etc.

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Roundtuit  
#8 Posted : 22 January 2020 10:32:45(UTC)
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Roundtuit

It only becomes a priority when someone external is scrutinising - so if you are not CHAS, Constructionline etc. or certified as meeting the requirements of ISO 9001, ISO 14001, ISO 45001 etc.

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jwk  
#9 Posted : 22 January 2020 11:31:29(UTC)
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jwk

For ISO 45001 clause 7.5.2 (c) says: 'review and approval for suitability and adequacy' and that's all, nothing about frequency or intervals. You can set your own review frequency, as long as it makes sense (e.g once per century would not be acceptable!) as long as you then stick to it,

John

Oxford  
#10 Posted : 28 January 2020 14:34:40(UTC)
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Oxford

Originally Posted by: craigroberts76 Go to Quoted Post

Any chas or constructionline (in our sector) application will be rejected if policies are more than 12 months old.  ISO I believe requires 12 monthly too

And thats the problem with all of these accrediations...its for their benefit to generate cash, not for the applicants benefit...

OliverWallace  
#11 Posted : 28 January 2020 14:56:35(UTC)
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OliverWallace

Originally Posted by: Oxford Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: craigroberts76 Go to Quoted Post

Any chas or constructionline (in our sector) application will be rejected if policies are more than 12 months old.  ISO I believe requires 12 monthly too

And thats the problem with all of these accrediations...its for their benefit to generate cash, not for the applicants benefit...


Couldn't agree more. I worked for two 3rd party ISO certification bodies within their technical teams and this was a constant issue contested by clients. Now I permanently work for a manufacturer managing our BMS and I'm now contesting against the CB's irrational findings. 

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