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Hi, can someone please direct me to any information with regard to Light Eye Protection whilst driving items of plant around sites with the window down. Any Information would be most welcome.
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Originally Posted by: BrianKane  Hi, can someone please direct me to any information with regard to Light Eye Protection whilst driving items of plant around sites with the window down. Any Information would be most welcome.
Is the light impact not the same if you are driving your own vehicle or walking around?
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Originally Posted by: Invictus Originally Posted by: BrianKane Hi, can someone please direct me to any information with regard to Light Eye Protection whilst driving items of plant around sites with the window down. Any Information would be most welcome.
Is the light impact not the same if you are driving your own vehicle or walking around?
There are many facets to that argument. I'm looking for hard facts whereby someone can quote legislation or guidance. I have not been able to find anything that would resemble legal compliance. Local site rules yes, but nothing that resembles a legal standpoint.
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Brian you will need to be more specific as to what it is you are seeking response to and the role you are asking from.
As a construction site can typically be dusty what is it you (or they) are hoping to control with LEP? Wind blown dust will get around the sides of the protection as it is designed for frontal impact. Most sites blanket PPE becuase that is the simple route.
You will not find specific legislation only the Risk Assessment.
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Brian you will need to be more specific as to what it is you are seeking response to and the role you are asking from.
As a construction site can typically be dusty what is it you (or they) are hoping to control with LEP? Wind blown dust will get around the sides of the protection as it is designed for frontal impact. Most sites blanket PPE becuase that is the simple route.
You will not find specific legislation only the Risk Assessment.
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Originally Posted by: Roundtuit Brian you will need to be more specific as to what it is you are seeking response to and the role you are asking from.
As a construction site can typically be dusty what is it you (or they) are hoping to control with LEP? Wind blown dust will get around the sides of the protection as it is designed for frontal impact. Most sites blanket PPE becuase that is the simple route.
You will not find specific legislation only the Risk Assessment.
Thanks for the reply but is the Principle Designer who states that "it is a given on construction sites". In my experience, nothing is a "given" on sites. I agree that the risk assessment is the key to this but when you get statements as I have previously stated, then we can end up at loggerheads. I see no issue with a telehandler operator who may occasionally wind down his window (whilst not wearing LEP) to cool down his cab or speak to people. Some people obviously do take issue with this, without doing a risk assessment. Edited by user 12 March 2020 11:53:52(UTC)
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Blanket PPE rules are unfortunately very common without accounting for the different risk in different situations. It's because it's easier to manage when there is one rule that everyone knows that covers all situations, even where the PPE isn't protecting against a hazard.
While I appreciate that this looks excessive, I think it's probably not worth trying to change unless it is actually increasing the risk in some way.
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Thanks for the reply Kate. Unfortunately, this is what gives H&S a bad name. I would like to get away from the blanket PPE stance and address by RA and a common sense approach (Don't say common sense isn't very common as I know all of the Cliches). He need not wear LEP when the cab is enclosed but must don it every time he winds down his window...... Hmmm.
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I know ... and you are not wrong ... but whoever is in charge of the site makes the site rules. You haven't said exactly what the situation is - are you sending sub-contractors to work on a construction site? If that's the case, then the Principal Contractor is entitled to set the rules.
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Perhaps this is a more appropriate campaign for iosh to be involved with?
I can get wearing the gear to/from the cab but within? - not sure of any records showing someone in a cab got run over because they did not have Hi-Vis on inside the cab, nor that they were struck on the head by a dropped item in a coever cab. Then there is my favourite issue with LEP the walk from the site entrance on the public highway to the lockers/changing facilities and on to the job - how does the dust know not to fly in to the eye of soemone as they enter or leave site? Sounds like the PD is doing like all simlar desk bound assessments thinking without thinking
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Perhaps this is a more appropriate campaign for iosh to be involved with?
I can get wearing the gear to/from the cab but within? - not sure of any records showing someone in a cab got run over because they did not have Hi-Vis on inside the cab, nor that they were struck on the head by a dropped item in a coever cab. Then there is my favourite issue with LEP the walk from the site entrance on the public highway to the lockers/changing facilities and on to the job - how does the dust know not to fly in to the eye of soemone as they enter or leave site? Sounds like the PD is doing like all simlar desk bound assessments thinking without thinking
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Originally Posted by: Kate I know ... and you are not wrong ... but whoever is in charge of the site makes the site rules. You haven't said exactly what the situation is - are you sending sub-contractors to work on a construction site? If that's the case, then the Principal Contractor is entitled to set the rules.
We are the PC and he works of us. The Client Representatives have stated that "it's a given on construction sites".... I'm not so sure!
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Originally Posted by: Roundtuit Perhaps this is a more appropriate campaign for iosh to be involved with?
I can get wearing the gear to/from the cab but within? - not sure of any records showing someone in a cab got run over because they did not have Hi-Vis on inside the cab, nor that they were struck on the head by a dropped item in a coever cab. Then there is my favourite issue with LEP the walk from the site entrance on the public highway to the lockers/changing facilities and on to the job - how does the dust know not to fly in to the eye of soemone as they enter or leave site? Sounds like the PD is doing like all simlar desk bound assessments thinking without thinking
Brilliantly put. I totally agree!
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Brian, sometimes the PC needs to stand up to the Client or the PD. Usually the PC will know more about site health and safety than the other duty holders. So, as a starting point may be it's a case of asking the Client why "it's a given" and reminding them that it is for the PC to write and maintain a suitable Construction Phase Plan inclusive of the site rules. Does the CONTRACT tell you what specific rules to set?
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Now that I know you are the PC I withdraw my suggestion that it's not worth contesting!
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