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no1referee  
#1 Posted : 22 April 2020 07:05:31(UTC)
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no1referee

Has anyone noticed that whenever coverage of carers, NHS nurses and in general workers returning to work as Key workers all Don the correct PPE, Gloces, Masks, Face shields and Aprons but are mostly still wearing short sleeved tops which allows the COVID 19 to transmit and spread, I know the wasshing advice and sanitising processes are adhered to but nothng mentioned about washing or even covering their arms !!! or is this just me ?   

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Kim Hedges on 22/04/2020(UTC)
chris.packham  
#2 Posted : 22 April 2020 08:44:03(UTC)
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chris.packham

If you were to check you might still find the NHS policy of 'bare below the elbows' for general wear on wards is still in place.

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Yossarian on 22/04/2020(UTC), Kim Hedges on 22/04/2020(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 22 April 2020 08:52:00(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

The NHS has been trying to get everybody to wear short sleeves in hospitals for years. You can wash your forearms regularly. God knows what you find on your sleeves. Gowns do have long sleeves but you are only mean to use them once before discarding them or sending them off to the laundry.

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Yossarian on 22/04/2020(UTC), Kim Hedges on 22/04/2020(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 22 April 2020 10:17:46(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: no1referee Go to Quoted Post
wearing short sleeved tops which allows the COVID 19 to transmit and spread

Do you have some scientific references for this statement or is this merely your personal perception?

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Roundtuit  
#5 Posted : 22 April 2020 10:17:46(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: no1referee Go to Quoted Post
wearing short sleeved tops which allows the COVID 19 to transmit and spread

Do you have some scientific references for this statement or is this merely your personal perception?

thanks 6 users thanked Roundtuit for this useful post.
A Kurdziel on 22/04/2020(UTC), Yossarian on 22/04/2020(UTC), Kim Hedges on 22/04/2020(UTC), A Kurdziel on 22/04/2020(UTC), Yossarian on 22/04/2020(UTC), Kim Hedges on 22/04/2020(UTC)
chris.packham  
#6 Posted : 22 April 2020 10:55:37(UTC)
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chris.packham

The 'bare below the elbow' policy was challenged some time ago in the Journal of Hospital Infection, actually by the then editor. If anyone is interested I have a copy of the text and can e-mail it if you PM me the e-mail to send it to.

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Kim Hedges on 22/04/2020(UTC)
Kim Hedges  
#7 Posted : 22 April 2020 12:31:15(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

I watched a Netflix film called Contagion recently, interesting how a disease without a cure was treated regarding PPE - an enclosed pressure suit. 

Whilst this is a film, I am still amazed that workers don't wear full body noddy suits and full face respirators, like the armed forces use, when dealing with biological and chemical agents. 

When I went to Iraq in 2007 I had a full noddy suit in bright yellow and full face respirator, to deal with the known dangers - and I was not in the military then, although I worked alongside the US military.  

 

Edited by user 22 April 2020 12:32:32(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

chris.packham  
#8 Posted : 22 April 2020 13:47:35(UTC)
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chris.packham

Kim

I wonder what the psychological effect on the patient would be if all the medical staff turned up dressed as you were, i.e. full, bright yellow chemical suit and full face respirator!

Given some of the images of how crowded the space around the patient can become, would there be room for everyone? From what I have learned about infection prevention I think that what they wear - assuming it is available - is adequate, provided that the mask is correctly fitted and the PPE is removed correctly - not always a given.  

As it happens some of my contacts in occupational health in the NHS are experiencing some difficulty in even getting their Trust to comply with epic 3, the NICE accredited evidence based guidelines for the prevention of infection in hospitals.

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A Kurdziel on 22/04/2020(UTC), nic168 on 24/04/2020(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#9 Posted : 25 April 2020 20:24:01(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Nothing sells a movie like a pressure suit particularly when the hero ends up with a tear or breach and the aduience know they are the only one with the answer that will ultimately save humanity e.g. The Andromeda Strain - scientists, an unknown virus and technology (in this case a teletyper) working against mankind thankyou Michael Crichton a great distraction from current boredom.

Roundtuit  
#10 Posted : 25 April 2020 20:24:01(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Nothing sells a movie like a pressure suit particularly when the hero ends up with a tear or breach and the aduience know they are the only one with the answer that will ultimately save humanity e.g. The Andromeda Strain - scientists, an unknown virus and technology (in this case a teletyper) working against mankind thankyou Michael Crichton a great distraction from current boredom.

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