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peter gotch  
#1 Posted : 13 April 2020 14:54:49(UTC)
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peter gotch

All

I've been doing some CPD!!

Anyone have an idea of the prevalence and/or costs of work-related stress in the US?

When I went into the OSHA website and typed in stress, the first thing it asked me was whether COVID-19 was causing me stress.

I found a paper on the American Society of Psychologists website analysing international data but one country notably absent from its investigation was America [Canada was mentioned]!

There is also stuff on the NIOSH section of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention website but everything seems to have stopped circa 2002.

Suggestions that work related stress in the US has increased with longer working hours and advice that Employee Assistance Programs can help, but very little about tackling the causes [in the workplace] and even less data on the negative impacts.

OSHA seems to be trying to stay clear of this thorny issue even more than the Health and Safety Executive in Great Britain.

Regards, Peter

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Kim Hedges on 14/04/2020(UTC)
Wailes900134  
#2 Posted : 13 April 2020 17:32:10(UTC)
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Wailes900134

Back in the day.... I was looking at stress as a part of prep to new shift patterns etc in a large factory. From memory NASA had some research that was ahead of anything I was finding through mainstream industry occ health or HR (who were often custodians of the "problem" back then).
They may be worth a look.
peter gotch  
#3 Posted : 14 April 2020 18:21:39(UTC)
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peter gotch

Thanks Wailes - there is quite a lot of research as to whether working excessive hours, and various shift patterns is problematic and if associated with an increase in accident rates.

In terms of shift patterns, decades ago the researchers concluded that a significant proportion of the population could not cope with the European Reverse Rotation Shift pattern, i.e. the opposite of the conventional morning, afternoon, night, typically 6-2, 2-10, 10-6.

But what I was really looking for was American data on broader work-related stress - loads of stuff on the HSE and various European and other sites to say that WRS should now be very high up on most organisations' risk registers, but the vogue at present is on Mental Health First Aiders and access to Employment Assistance Programs rather than tackling the root causes - often poor management and bullying (whether deliberate or incompetent). 

That's the bit which seems to be a big hole in the ground as regards the US, perhaps waiting for some massive class actions.

stevedm  
#4 Posted : 14 April 2020 19:59:22(UTC)
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stevedm

...not sure if you already have this one but there is a 2006 survey of workplaces in the US 

https://www.stress.org/workplace-stress

Most of the psychological research that I have access to is more about active shooter incidents and PTSD..

Wailes900134  
#5 Posted : 15 April 2020 04:17:40(UTC)
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Wailes900134

I would say you have it right with your last sentence. The information I was looking at back then seemed to be opening a door on links between stress and cancer with credibility... Then a couple of years later when I looked again that particular door couldn't be found, let alone opened. But they did have very helpful information on general physiological responses etc.

My primary task was indeed to see if a nonconventional pattern (D-N-A) that the union wanted could work. There was a way, and we did it, and were indeed recognised across the company. At the time I thought the supervisory and lower mngt there were OK (I knew no better as a datum) but what I realise now decades later, is that they were miles better than most of what I see today. I agree wholeheartedly that poor mngt may be a primary cause (mainly incompetent rather than deliberate) and fear it is a blight of the developed world, but particularly prevalent in the UK. The reliance on MHFA and EAP's with little to no effort in prevention is, in my opinion, rather disturbing too. We wouldn't consider applying the hierarchy that way with other issues, so why with possibly the biggest? ....because it's difficult perhaps.
stevedm  
#6 Posted : 15 April 2020 17:18:24(UTC)
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stevedm

This was produced in 2017 by The BPS...some goods recomemndations...we based our I/O Psychology roadmap on this document...

https://www.bps.org.uk/sites/www.bps.org.uk/files/Policy/Policy%20-%20Files/Psychology%20at%20work%20-%20improving%20wellbeing%20and%20productivity%20in%20the%20workplace.pdf

A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 16 April 2020 10:18:36(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

OSHA is not interested in mental stress at all. The Americans are so far behind Europe in H&S that it does not even register.   

In most cases if you suffer an injury at work you (unlike the UK) do not sue the employer for compensation. Instead you apply to a no-fault compensation scheme run by the state. For each type if injury you will receive a set level of compensation. (Nearest thing to this in the UK is probably the Criminal Injuries compensation scheme) The state then reclaims the money from the employer’s insurance policy.

In most States mental stress is not included. A few more progressive states like California do allow it in limited circumstances. This website describes how the system works- https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/california-workers-comp-recovering-mental-emotional-injuries.html

Often the claims are made under disability discrimination laws rather than the workplace compensation scheme. Essentially there is no driver to encourage anybody to look at mental health at work. Remember most workers in the US can be sacked at any time by their employer. Unlike European employment laws (which still apply in the UK) the employer does not need to prove any failure on the part of the employee to fulfil their side of the employment contract. In the US it is for the employee to prove that the employer sacking them was unlawful for example under disability laws, which vary between states.

Note, Americans work longer hours than we do and in most cases do not have much in the way of statutory sick pay or paid holidays. Being stressed about at work is almost a badge of honour in some areas. It’s not really surprising that employees sometimes “Go Postal”.

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biker1 on 16/04/2020(UTC), martin paul jones on 26/04/2020(UTC)
biker1  
#8 Posted : 16 April 2020 15:55:15(UTC)
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biker1

Quite so. In fact, the nature of the Workers Compensation schemes forbids the employees from suing their employer. Despite the litigious nature of the USA, it is actually easier for workers to sue employers in the UK. If it is a question of faulty equipment causing injury, the worker has to sue the maker of the equipment, not the employer who used it.

I agree that the US is far behind the UK in h&s. Their OSHA act doesn't cover non-employees as our legislation does, and court cases reveal that OSHA inspectors are challenged in court to an extent that would be unimaginable for the HSE in the UK, which probably says a lot about their attitude to h&s. It is therefore no surprise that stress doesn't even appear on their radar.

The situation has got even worse since Trump came into power.

Argyll  
#9 Posted : 17 April 2020 02:29:46(UTC)
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Argyll

Having lived in Canada for my entire life, and been more than a casual observer of OH&S matters south of the border, I can certainly agree with the comments made regarding worker health & safety in the U.S. I know a number of OH&S practitioners there, and it is indeed a very different dynamic and value system that exists in either Canada or the UK. As has been stated, the current administration in the U.S. is not overly concerned about ensuring the average working person has a safe place to work, to put it mildly...

Argyll         

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biker1 on 17/04/2020(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#10 Posted : 17 April 2020 11:02:35(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

If you real want to know about how the USA treats its employees just read this piece-sorry it is about Covid-19 and shows almost exactly  how not to deal with it in a manufacturing setting.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52311877

peter gotch  
#11 Posted : 20 April 2020 13:17:55(UTC)
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peter gotch

Thanks for responses to date, especially the link given by stevedm at #4 which points to some pretty huge numbers. Need to look at more closely and dig below the headlines.

AK, working as I do for an American based multinational I have to be a little careful about what I post here!

A Kurdziel  
#12 Posted : 20 April 2020 13:36:36(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Isn’t UK plc a US subsidiary already!

peter gotch  
#13 Posted : 26 April 2020 12:05:06(UTC)
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peter gotch

AK - definitely can't answer that Q!

stevedm  
#14 Posted : 27 April 2020 06:43:07(UTC)
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stevedm

...funny this is destressing after a long night... 

you may also fine this useful..

https://www.cdc.gov/workplacehealthpromotion/tools-resources/workplace-health/stress.html

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