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pip306  
#1 Posted : 08 April 2020 14:48:50(UTC)
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pip306

We have sent approx 600 people to work from home who don't normally some have the correct set ups some don't. They have been home 3 weeks already and likely till end of May at least so is this temporary? Already receiving complaints regarding not having chairs to work from etc. What have other business deemed as temporary?

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 08 April 2020 20:09:48(UTC)
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Roundtuit

You have a PM

There is a distinct difference between what is a normal home worker e.g. one of your sales reps spending an administration day on their laptop compared to the office staff normally hooked up to a desk top PC all week.

Firms need to recognise productivity will be lower as employees who are normally office based adjust to working on their own (non-business) broadband sat at their kitchen table requiring more longer frequent breaks from the screen.

A broadband service reduced due to the sheer numbers locked at home working, streaming and socialising.

You are not going to deliver an "ideal" work station for any home working at this time.

Where possible permit users to take equipment home (make records) as the last thing the business cash flow needs is hundreds of expenses claims for £200+ chairs.

Then you have the supply issues that some on-line retailers are prioritising other goods and the suitable cost effective versions have already sold out.

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Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 08 April 2020 20:09:48(UTC)
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Roundtuit

You have a PM

There is a distinct difference between what is a normal home worker e.g. one of your sales reps spending an administration day on their laptop compared to the office staff normally hooked up to a desk top PC all week.

Firms need to recognise productivity will be lower as employees who are normally office based adjust to working on their own (non-business) broadband sat at their kitchen table requiring more longer frequent breaks from the screen.

A broadband service reduced due to the sheer numbers locked at home working, streaming and socialising.

You are not going to deliver an "ideal" work station for any home working at this time.

Where possible permit users to take equipment home (make records) as the last thing the business cash flow needs is hundreds of expenses claims for £200+ chairs.

Then you have the supply issues that some on-line retailers are prioritising other goods and the suitable cost effective versions have already sold out.

thanks 4 users thanked Roundtuit for this useful post.
Kim Hedges on 08/04/2020(UTC), A Kurdziel on 15/04/2020(UTC), Kim Hedges on 08/04/2020(UTC), A Kurdziel on 15/04/2020(UTC)
Kim Hedges  
#4 Posted : 08 April 2020 20:27:48(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

Good post pip306. 

I cannot work from home, I still wait to be called out to some job in the S.W. of Emgland.  I do however have a desktop computer with a flat screen monitor and printer, with a mouse and mouse mat, I even have a proper chair which up until yesterday was fine, but I just broke it when leaning back - doh. hahaha

The original posting is still valid when it concerns what so many people tend to use these days with hot desking and on-the-go computing, often with a small A4 size Ipad and a mobile phone.  The concept of DSE regs has taken a backseat as it were.  Your're 600 hardy workers may need some technical support, if only to explain in a simple email what they should be trying to do.  Whether your company can afford to do anything else is academic in the current lockdown with most computer supply companies on orders to close first (if you remember). 

I've used a work laptop in the past for work and really hated the setup the company I was working for at the time supplied, after only half an hour my fingers would cramp and my neck ache, so I understand the problem. 

Perhaps, tell your people to take more breaks than normal, just to try and prevent some of the problems? 

Edited by user 08 April 2020 20:29:55(UTC)  | Reason: name spelt wrong

hopeful  
#5 Posted : 09 April 2020 07:50:40(UTC)
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hopeful

We are allowing staff to purchase keyboards, mice and laptop raisers if they wish. We are asking them to adapt using cushions if possible, increase breaks etc but if there are serious issues we will consider getting an office chair, we will not be conducting occupational health assessments for specialist equipment because they are difficult to arrange and as a charity we cannot afford such expense for a short period of time. We are also furloughing a number of people who didnt usually work from home which is reducing the risk and issue.

nic168  
#6 Posted : 15 April 2020 07:24:25(UTC)
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nic168

We have re-deployed items from the closed office to people confined to home/ similar location on a loan basis. Mainly chairs, keyboards, mice and stands for laptops.

As most people have now been remote for 3 to 4 weeks we are roling out a light touch self evaluation which will cover workstation "issues" and health ,wellbeing. as well as any other concerns or thoughts. The thinking behind this is that now people are settling into a routine they will become more aware of problems and more prepared to ask for help/complain

HSSnail  
#7 Posted : 04 May 2020 15:28:09(UTC)
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HSSnail

So back when the Covid workplace restrictions started the HSE issued this guidance

https://www.hse.gov.uk/toolbox/workers/home.htm

Which said.

For those people who are working at home on a long-term basis, the risks associated with using display screen equipment (DSE)[2] must be controlled. This includes doing home workstation assessments.

However, there is no increased risk from DSE work for those working at home temporarily. So in that situation employers do not need to do home workstation assessments.

It now looks as if we may be asking people to work from home for much longer than the 3 monts originaly talked about. So when does "temporarily" become "long Term"?

For me i think 3 months is about the limit - but i would be interested to hear how other people are viewing this.

Thank you.

A Kurdziel  
#8 Posted : 05 May 2020 08:38:52(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

It all depends on what they are doing. If they are doing a call centre job then the risk of them suffering injury due to overdoing it is relatively high, so you would need to apply more controls and try to recreate the office environment as much as possible. You would also have to lower your expectations: if they can get through 10 calls an hour at work you might have to expect only 5 calls an hour if working from home due to things like them having to take extra breaks. If the person is using the  more as a base but does relatively little actual hands on data processing and has a great deal of control over what they do and when, then you can take a more relaxed approach and tell them to use pillows etc. is as always all to do with managing the risk.

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Mark-W  
#9 Posted : 05 May 2020 11:03:06(UTC)
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Mark-W

Its good to see some companies are taking a pro active view of this issue. 1 of my clients sent the office staff home. I then sent an email out to them all to ask for a picture of their workstation to prove they weren't just sat on the sofa with a laptop on their legs.

MD was miffed that I'd done it as I was fishing for extra work. So as a contractor to them I was put on stop. No further work to be conducted and now the MD is issuing everyone with H&S advice. 

Not so sure I want to go back to them now, despite being my first H&S client when I set up 5 yrs ago.

HSSnail  
#10 Posted : 05 May 2020 11:59:40(UTC)
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HSSnail

Thanks Kurdziel

Yes im thinking very much of those people we would class as "Users" whos work involves them at the screan for much of the day. At the moment we have been relying very much on the HSE guidance, takeing more & longer breaks, using cuisons where an office chair is not avialable etc, and knowing productivity will be less than normal.  But if the situation contiues for an extended period we will have to return to more normal levels of work - as such im thinking its time we started to look at if we can create a more suitable workspace at home for these people. However even if we supply the kit it may be that some people just dont have the space.                                        

nic168  
#11 Posted : 05 May 2020 13:02:07(UTC)
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nic168

 We put little reminders and info pieces in the weekly newsletter about Physical health, wellbeing Mental health etc. These are generally kept short and quite light so that it does not fade into the background or become nagging.

This week will be an excellent little webinar from Posturite's Katherine Metters title is "working from Home Health check" It has some reminders about workstataion, helpful hints and exercises as well as a bit about well being. Worth checking out if you want to give them something that dies not have "Health and Safety" stamped on it.

Pete Mears  
#12 Posted : 05 May 2020 16:06:05(UTC)
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Pete Mears

There has never been a more important time for employers to: a) avail themselves of competent and proprtionate H&S advice; and, b) IMPLEMENT (and monitor) it, for although the HSE/LA may (initially) take a sympathetic approach, I can almost hear the claims companies rubbing their hands together in anticipation of a future tsunami of revenue from those employers who fell through the cracks or just plain failed to implement safe systems of work. Sadly, the 'scandal' of the next few years might be not 'have you been missold PPI?', but, 'were you made ill through a lack of PPE?' Hard pressed H&S Practitioners will need all their people and communication skills to stand firm towards stressed employers who will undoubtedly be tempted to cut corners, or fail/refuse to conduct risk assessments, provide relevant equipment and training and - often not seen of importance (until you are in court and wishing you had - kept proper, detailed records. Good luck everyone! 

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Roundtuit  
#13 Posted : 05 May 2020 17:45:17(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Pete Mears - If you are trying to include some form of hyperlink following the "What do you want to do" that seems to end your posts sorry "New Mail" just isn't working as you intend.

Roundtuit  
#14 Posted : 05 May 2020 17:45:17(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Pete Mears - If you are trying to include some form of hyperlink following the "What do you want to do" that seems to end your posts sorry "New Mail" just isn't working as you intend.

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