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Fcp20iDE  
#1 Posted : 09 June 2020 08:55:23(UTC)
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Fcp20iDE

Hi, I wonder if anyone can help. I've had dealings in the past with a company which supplies waterless portable chemical showers and eyewash stations where the active ingrediant draws the chemical away from the body and negates the impacts. I can't remember the company name and a Google search has drawn a blank. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 09 June 2020 09:27:35(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I have never heard of this either. It seems too good to be true especially the idea of water free cleaning agent. Water is used in emergency showers since a) it is relatively harmless b) freely available if you have a mains supply and remember you need loads of water to completely wash away any residues and c) cheap to use but not install if you have to plumb in the  water supply. Could it be that other people have had a similar feelings and the company went bust which is why you can’t find any trace of it?

Fcp20iDE  
#3 Posted : 09 June 2020 09:35:37(UTC)
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Fcp20iDE

I've put feelers out to my previous employer as they had a demonstration there about 6 months ago. From memory it looked like a fire extinguisher. As it was something my ex boss was dealing with I didn't have much detail on it. If they give me the details I'll share them 

Kate  
#4 Posted : 09 June 2020 09:50:03(UTC)
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Kate

I haven't heard of a waterless one.  I have come across Diphoterine which has an active ingredient dissolved in water and is used in the ways you describe to draw chemical contaminants out from the skin and eyes.  And yes, the "portable shower" looks like a fire extinguisher.

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Holliday42333  
#5 Posted : 09 June 2020 10:11:37(UTC)
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Holliday42333

You are definately thinking of Diphoterine.  Fantastic stuff 

Its made by a company called Prevor - https://www.prevor.com/en/diphoterine-solution

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Fcp20iDE on 09/06/2020(UTC)
Fcp20iDE  
#6 Posted : 09 June 2020 10:39:23(UTC)
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Fcp20iDE

That company rings a bell - brilliant thank you :)

chris.packham  
#7 Posted : 09 June 2020 10:58:52(UTC)
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chris.packham

I have nothing against Diphoterine. It is an excellent product. However, from what I  know of Diphoterine its main function is to neutralise the chemical. I did look at it some years ago for a particular application but the issue with the chemical was not the pH and thus I concluded that Diphoterine was not the best answer. Even a water based shower has its limitations. For example it the chemical is something that adheres to the skin and is not removed by soap and water then a water based shower is not the answer. Would you use a water based shower, or even hand washing to deal with skin contamination with hydrofluoric acid? And soap and water is the wrong solution for MDI. Once again my view has to be that there is no 'one size fits all' solution and we have to assess the situation as it is and decide what is the best approach.

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Holliday42333  
#8 Posted : 09 June 2020 11:04:35(UTC)
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Holliday42333

chris.packam - I believe there is also a Prevor solution specific for Hydrofloric Acid.

You are right though, in my experience Diphoterine is not the panacea for every scenario but its effects on acids and bases are very good indeed.

Kate  
#9 Posted : 09 June 2020 11:04:49(UTC)
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Kate

According to the manufacturer, Diphoterine neutralises acids and alkalis and also chelates other types of chemicals so is effective against a range of chemicals.  But yes, I agree it is most useful for neutralising.

Fcp20iDE  
#10 Posted : 09 June 2020 14:00:40(UTC)
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Fcp20iDE

We are looking for a solution for isocyanate 123/8 and polyol Elastoflex E3963/110 that doesn't involve plumbing in water

Kate  
#11 Posted : 09 June 2020 16:09:05(UTC)
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Kate

What a coincidence!  Isocyanate and polyol were used in a workshop where I introduced Diphoterine, and I certainly didn't identify any compatibility issues or reasons not to use it in this application (although it was mainly for other substances that I wanted it).

I've previously had a sales presentation and training materials from Kays Medical who are a UK distributor of it.

peter gotch  
#12 Posted : 09 June 2020 16:46:14(UTC)
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peter gotch

You would probably increase your choice if you also looked for a portable tank shower, using water but not plumbed in. There's a fairly recent EN standard and I can't remember whether it has got a BS implementation version.

Most such emergency showers have traditionally been supplied against US ANSI standards which have been published (and updated) for much longer.

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