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chris42  
#1 Posted : 09 June 2020 17:05:49(UTC)
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chris42

My understanding of the recommendations is that we should change face to face seating, so they either sit side by side or back to back. An option that does not seem to be mentioned one way or another is desks in a line, one behind the other all facing the same direction ie one person faces the back of another, who in turn faces the back of another person (all people 2m apart).

My view is this may be ok as they are maintaining 2m, (but then 2m distancing and face to face is not recommended).

What would other people’s views be on this type of sitting arrangement one way or another ie reasons it is ok or may not ok.

Any thoughts on this as I can’t find it mentioned in any guidance.

Chris

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 09 June 2020 18:26:01(UTC)
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Roundtuit

As with school, college etc. so long as I am at the back and not the one in front being breathed / coughed upon.
Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 09 June 2020 18:26:01(UTC)
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Roundtuit

As with school, college etc. so long as I am at the back and not the one in front being breathed / coughed upon.
craigroberts76  
#4 Posted : 10 June 2020 07:17:56(UTC)
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craigroberts76

The idea is that you dont breathe at someone face to face no less than 2m apart.  This is now likely to change to either 1m or 1.5m in the next week i suspect.  Think about increasing airflow maybe to disipate more, open windows, fans, air con etc.  Stagger seating so they sre no behind someone but 1 seat to the side (remember, diagonally is longer distance)

Kate  
#5 Posted : 10 June 2020 08:20:54(UTC)
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Kate

I've seen a zig-zag arrangement suggested.

chris42  
#6 Posted : 10 June 2020 09:05:26(UTC)
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chris42

Hi all thanks for the replies. Yes, we are obviously trying to face people away from one another or side by side in preference. A zig zag will not aide us unfortunately due to door way positions and general room features and allowing a good walkway through the office. It is an office in Wales so will lag behind England in any changes to distancing.

We are hoping to bring people back from home working as although some are happy with-it others are working from kitchen tables etc. Although workstation set up is ok general positioning in house not conducive and they would like to return. It was ok for a while but not long term. We would buy them desks and chairs etc but they don’t have the room.

Yes, the person behind coughing was part of our discussion, along with if someone did cough at someone’s back over 2m away, would it be any different in sitting on a train seat for instance. Unfortunately, people cough for a variety of other reasons other than Covid-19, Hay fever, dust allergies, perfume allergies, smokers etc and they could just be asymptomatic.

So, when considering options with another manager we wished to understand all the options and this set up of one behind the other was specifically mentioned. I could not find any particular views online of this scenario though.

It is therefore this scenario I’m interested in specifically, any guidance that I could be pointed to would be great or people views on if they would or would not accept it and if not why.

Chris

craigroberts76  
#7 Posted : 10 June 2020 11:08:37(UTC)
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craigroberts76

Air flow and do everything reasonable, thats about it for the moment as we're all still learning.  Consider shift patterns, no hot desking, scheduled breaks and lunches (especially in means of lunch and fag breaks).  provide sanitizer to each person to have and use.

nic168  
#8 Posted : 10 June 2020 11:35:36(UTC)
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nic168

 Hot desking is part of of our workplace for us, and I suspect others will have the same arrangement as we have fewer workstations than staff.

We have a staff cleaning regime, before you start and when you leave wipe down all work surfaces you plan to use or have used. Do not leave anything on the desk. Cleaners in throughout the day wiping down touchpoints such as doors and bannisters

RVThompson  
#9 Posted : 10 June 2020 12:05:55(UTC)
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RVThompson

In the guidance from Govt for offices and call centres, mitigation measures where SD cannot be maintained include:

Using screens or barriers to separate people from each other - we have done this in shared offices, where we cannot reconfigure desks (bit of a run on plastic screening mind).


Using back-to-back or side-to-side working (rather thanface-to-face) whenever possible - we have some facing away from each other.

Reducing the number of people each person has contact with by using ‘fixed teams or partnering’ (so each person works with only a few others) - we are lucky we don't have hot desking, and our shared offices have fixed teams.

Edited by user 10 June 2020 12:06:48(UTC)  | Reason: Spacing

chris42  
#10 Posted : 10 June 2020 14:17:42(UTC)
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chris42

Yes, we are aware of all the things mentioned above and implemented it where applicable, but trying to get as many people back as possible (getting Perspex sheet is a little tricky at the moment apparently). The more we can get back in that can not continue to work from home the greater numbers of jobs that may be saved. You always end up with the question that if we have managed without someone can we continue to do so once furlough ends.

So, no information on the actual question about sitting facing the back of another person 2m away, school desk style. I guess in schools they have changed this to the Zig Zag as Kate mentions, so despite not in guidance it is considered not acceptable (In schools anyway).

Thanks for the input everyone.

Chris

t.singh1  
#11 Posted : 10 June 2020 15:25:31(UTC)
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t.singh1

I believe one of the best ways to prevent transmission has nothing to do with furniture or layout; slowing the spread comes from letting potentially sick workers stay home with pay so they don’t feel pressured to come into work.

chris42  
#12 Posted : 12 June 2020 11:06:33(UTC)
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chris42

Originally Posted by: t.singh1 Go to Quoted Post

I believe one of the best ways to prevent transmission has nothing to do with furniture or layout; slowing the spread comes from letting potentially sick workers stay home with pay so they don’t feel pressured to come into work.


I quite agree, however when any organisation manages without the services of some of their employees (furloughed) then the powers that be start to question if they are absolutely necessary for the business. Some people who we are happy for them to work at home, are finding that they don’t have the room to work like that comfortably for any extended period of time, and may choose to leave.

Either way I am trying to allow those who we are happy working from home to stay that way. However, for the others I’m trying to get them back for their comfort and so they don’t have a target written on their backs as being unnecessary. Having said that I only want them back if safe (enough as nothing is perfect) to do so. I also want wat is best for the company survival, and if that means getting rid of dead wood so be it, for the majority to remain employed and business not go bust. I was therefore exploring all my options for room layout, and I understand fully the other issues mentioned.

Guidance has work side by side and back to back, not face to face. Ok I get that but have ignored the option (school desk type layout) of Face to back while maintaining 2m distancing.

As no one else obviously has this condition which I find a little odd, and nothing to say one way or another, then I can’t be wrong whatever I decide (can I?).

I think Roundtuit had it with I would want to be the one at the back of the room personally. I’m surprised that there are no views on this as people on here normally have very definite views on everything known to man / woman kind, but hay we are all busy.

Have a good weekend

Chris

Edited by user 12 June 2020 11:10:11(UTC)  | Reason: added words

craigroberts76  
#13 Posted : 12 June 2020 11:42:32(UTC)
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craigroberts76

it depends on the room, airflow and size, personally front to back isnt an issue unless the gap between my face and your back is less than 1m.  If the room has now thru-air or fresh air, then the room will fill anyway, so no matter where you sit, you will eventually start to breath in the virus.  Theres been some really good BBC radio 4 programs about this kind of thing over the past few weeks, myths and facts type,

Snwdrp84  
#14 Posted : 12 June 2020 12:46:46(UTC)
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Snwdrp84

Am i missing in the guidance where it says you cannot have face to face? If you have the ability to do 2m with face to face then by the guidance that is fine.
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