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Kate  
#1 Posted : 24 June 2020 12:51:01(UTC)
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Kate

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Kim Hedges on 24/06/2020(UTC)
Kim Hedges  
#2 Posted : 24 June 2020 12:55:37(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

Well it's 70% alcohol, so there is a fire risk to consider, until it evaporates.  

RVThompson  
#3 Posted : 24 June 2020 13:42:25(UTC)
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RVThompson

Looking at two random online MSDSs for hand sanitisers (>70 % alcohol), and they dont have a value for the auto-ignition temps, althought the flashpoint was obviously low.

Perhaps the unfortunate users in the facebook pics were smokers?

Ron Hunter  
#4 Posted : 24 June 2020 13:53:28(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Usual urban myth nonsense. Pic is of a car fire in US which local fire brigade have apologised for. Cause was electrical fault. A little www research will find you the truth.

Social Media: A blessing or a curse?

You shouldn't keep sanitising gel in hot places /direct sunlight because the alcohol content will disappear and it WON'T WORK!!!

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A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 24 June 2020 13:57:04(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Sorry I am not convinced that this was simply a case of container of sanitiser being left in a car and catching fire. The flashpoint of 100% ethanol is 14 C but it still needs an ignition source to light it. it won’t auto-ignite until it reaches 368 C and I can’t see how that might happen unless someone was doing like lighting a cigarette or there was an electric  spark.  At pinch a ray of sunlight might have been focussed by something made of glass and that set fire to the sanitiser but it looks very unlikely and probably a non-issue in terms of foreseeable risk.

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Kate  
#6 Posted : 24 June 2020 13:57:34(UTC)
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Kate

It's posted on what looks like a police account - what does this mean for the credibility of the post?

Marmstrong36  
#7 Posted : 24 June 2020 14:01:28(UTC)
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Marmstrong36

Interesting! Something to keep an eye out for.

I have done a few safety audits where the organisation have procured hand sanitizer (highly flammable) in small bottles but overall have larger than 50L quantities, would this then require a DSEAR RA if stored inside? 

HSSnail  
#8 Posted : 24 June 2020 14:16:56(UTC)
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HSSnail

This has been doing the rounds for a while. https://www.independent....ave-uk-nhs-a9582926.html as one example. I also received notification of an engineer working for a road maintained company igniting the sanitiser on his hand with the static from a vehicle. He did admit that his hands were “wet” with the sanitiser. We did issue a note to our staff that they take sensible precautions, but that we were also unable to substantiate many of the reports in social media.

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A Kurdziel on 25/06/2020(UTC)
peter gotch  
#9 Posted : 24 June 2020 14:21:08(UTC)
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peter gotch

Kate

Not the first alert this Summer about the supposed significant fire risks associated with sanitising spray and one wonders whether the makers of liquid soap might be in cahoots!

So, here's one I drafted earlier in the mode of old fashioned cookery programmes.

I am not known as the greatest fan of America when it comes to health and safety but the man from NFPA puts it into very neat context.

Please forgive any formatting issues that I have missed following cut and paste.

First link followed another article in the same publication, involving a fire inside a car. Now if you put a car in a UK car park surrounded by mirrors and sunlight you could probably contrive to get the inside of the car up to about 45 degrees C, but it would be a good party trick (thought rather expensive if you burn out much of the inside of the car).

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8376027/Biker-set-fire-sprayed-sanitizer-coronavirus-check-point-India.html

Well, it’s obvious that the exhaust of a motorcycle is going to be very hot when it has been driven, particularly if in Ahmedabad, Gujarat.

But, if you look at the footage you can see that it’s actually quite a small fire. 

Now, sanitising spray has been used with the formula largely unchanged for decades, particularly in healthcare.

In 2009, the World Health Organization published “WHO Guidelines on Hand Hygiene in Health Care”, which is copyright protected and hence not reproduced here.

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/70126/1/WHO_IER_PSP_2009.07_eng.pdf

This comments on the fire risk and recommends storage away from high temperatures and references:

http://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/tools/system_change/en/index.html 

Although alcohol-based handrubs are flammable, the risk of fires associated with such products is very low. 

The WHO Guidelines cite 766 healthcare facilities in the US which had accrued an estimated 1430 years of use of alcohol based handrub without a single fire attributed to a handrub dispenser.

A study in Germany found that 7 seven non severe fire incidents had been reported in 0.9% of hospitals over a period in which 35 million litres of sanitiser had been used over a period of over 25,000 hospital years,
equating to an incidence rate of 0.0000475% per hospital year. This is an extremely low risk!

In the German study, no reports of fire caused by static electricity or other factors were received, nor were any related to storage areas. Indeed, most reported incidents were associated with deliberate exposure to a naked flame, e.g. lighting a cigarette.

In the UK a summary of incidents relating to the use of alcohol based handrubs from the start of a cleanyourhands” campaign up to July 2008 identified only two fire events amongst 692 incidents reported in England and Wales.

http://www.npsa.nhs.uk/patientsafety/patientsafetyincident-data/quarterly-data-reports.

WHO has not considered it necessary to update its Guidelines in more than a decade since publication.

Here is what the US National Fire Prevention Association has to say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P3GjIBKwI8&feature=youtu.be

In summary NFPA are much more concerned about the risk of Coronavirus than any fire risk associated with hand sanitiser until one starts to store in quantities of 5 Gallons or more.

There was an alert from NHS Property or similar that told people not to store any sanitiser in a car, which is not particularly bright if a District Nurse might want to carry a spare bottle in the boot.

That also said to keep out of direct sunlight just at the time when they were talking about having bottles of sanitiser on primary school desks (where presumably stored in containers to stop small children drinking it).

So some urban myths doing the rounds just when sanitiser might be a key Covid-19 precaution as lock down eases in various countries.


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Roundtuit  
#10 Posted : 24 June 2020 16:33:40(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Same accounts that perpetuated the lanyard myth.

When the unregulated media giants are brought to account for their content those behind the pages had better be on guard.

Would posts such as this fall under "bringing the force in to disripute?"

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Roundtuit  
#11 Posted : 24 June 2020 16:33:40(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Same accounts that perpetuated the lanyard myth.

When the unregulated media giants are brought to account for their content those behind the pages had better be on guard.

Would posts such as this fall under "bringing the force in to disripute?"

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chris.packham  
#12 Posted : 24 June 2020 16:55:29(UTC)
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chris.packham

Re risk of lighting cigarette when or immediately after using alcohol hand sanitiser perhaps the following is significant. It is taken from one of my training slides.

"This study examined the uptake of alcohol both through the skin and by inhalation of the vapour following the use of an alcohol based skin sanitiser.

Inhalation:- Alcohol in breath was measured at 0.076 mg/L immediately after use, but returned to zero within 15 minutes.

Dermal:- Dermal absorption was not detected

Conclusion:- “Therefore the use of alcohol based hand rubs is safe for healthy health care workers.”

Ahmed-Lecheb D, Cunat L, Hartemann P, Hautemanière A, Journal of Hospital Infection, 81 (2012) 21-35"

Presumably safe for health care workers providing you don't light a cigarette during or immediately after hand hygiene!

Kate  
#13 Posted : 25 June 2020 07:15:37(UTC)
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Kate

I find it thoroughly debunked on Snopes:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hand-sanitizer-explodes-hot-car/

This also answers my question about the credibility of a police source - as this idea has been passed on by a US fire department source also.  Who ought to know better.

I've gone back to my source of the safety alert with the above link, and my own scepticism of social media warnings has increased.

A Kurdziel  
#14 Posted : 25 June 2020 08:17:59(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I have managed to set myself on fire using had sanitiser but I was working in microbiology safety cabinet and has just rubbed my hands with the alcohol and then passed them through a flame! The alcohol caught fire but it was a small minor fire that I was too embarrassed to report. (I was young and reckless!) No lasting damage apart from the fact that I have never grown any hair on the back of my hands!

Anyway this looks like one of the urban myths/fake news stores that has been thoroughly debunked. There is a danger that it might make people wary of hand sanitiser just at the point when we probably need it most as we come out of lock down but rely heavily on hygiene measures.

I was not impressed when I saw this story being repeated on the BBC 6 o’clock News. I think someone should inform them about the true nature of this story and Greater Manchester Police should hang their heads in shame for spreading such garbage.

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Kate  
#15 Posted : 25 June 2020 10:53:17(UTC)
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Kate

This describes a possible source of the current outbreak of the myth:

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/nhs-issues-statement-revealing-truth-18481511

firesafety101  
#16 Posted : 25 June 2020 16:43:39(UTC)
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firesafety101

Debunking the myth: Hand sanitiser kept in cars DO NOT pose a fire risk.

Following
widespread news coverage claiming that hand sanitiser kept in vehicles
can pose a fire risk, we refute this - and confirm there have been no cases of such fires in the UK.https://tinyurl.com/y7c36trc
This is the from Tha National Fire Chief's Council
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Kate  
#17 Posted : 26 June 2020 07:58:58(UTC)
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Kate

That's an extremely useful link from firesafety101.

peter gotch  
#18 Posted : 26 June 2020 11:17:21(UTC)
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peter gotch

Good to see that NHS Property have been brave enough to say that their Alert was misguided.

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