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Jill T  
#1 Posted : 24 June 2020 15:57:15(UTC)
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Jill T

Some of our offices are in city centre locations, so staff will use public transport.  This would be their usual commute, but how far would our resposibilities extend if staff don't wish to travel using this method when our offices reopen?  We can't ensure their commute is safe.  What if this increases concerns about their mental health? 

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 24 June 2020 16:09:58(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Jill as a member you can read the posts in the member to member section where this has already been discussed.

Basic synopsis how they get to and from the work place as a commute is not your problem except where the employer provides the transport (car, van, crew bus etc.).

How they feel about their journey is not a work problem - they could walk, cycle, travel by taxi, get a lift from a family member.

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Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 24 June 2020 16:09:58(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Jill as a member you can read the posts in the member to member section where this has already been discussed.

Basic synopsis how they get to and from the work place as a commute is not your problem except where the employer provides the transport (car, van, crew bus etc.).

How they feel about their journey is not a work problem - they could walk, cycle, travel by taxi, get a lift from a family member.

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stevedm  
#4 Posted : 25 June 2020 09:16:45(UTC)
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stevedm

...there has been a significant rise in mental health issues, workplace anxiety and even PTSD in frontline staff...and it shouldn't be dismissed out of hand...yes they have choice in how they get to work but a good employer would give some guidelines in dealing with mental health issues in the workplace...this link provides some useful guides that may help..

https://www.mentalhealth.org.uk/coronavirus/looking-after-your-mental-health-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 25 June 2020 09:37:22(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I have been using public transport not get to work for a few weeks now. I wear a snazzy face mask and so do most of my fellow travellers but you do see people who are mask-less.

The main source of trauma is the attitude of the people brought in to manage the one way system at Leeds they are not familiar with.  The station is fairly empty and as I have to change trains there I am sometimes directed in completely the wrong direction by these helpful souls, but you just have to suck it up I suppose.

Some people do get very nervous about the idea of infection (of any sort) and in some it borders on a phobia. This is a mental health issue and should be dealt with (hopefully sympathetically) under your organisations mental health policies.

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Kate on 25/06/2020(UTC)
hopeful  
#6 Posted : 25 June 2020 09:50:46(UTC)
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hopeful

While normally we would not be expected to consider transport into the office Covid 19 has changed this. In Scotland you are are required to consider the methods of transport and risks and we are advised that we should consider this as well looking at the specific guidance around Covid.

How you respond will depend on the approach of your organisation, fortunately I work for a very supporting organisation and we still are wroking from home except for exceptional circumstances

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Kate on 25/06/2020(UTC)
Kate  
#7 Posted : 25 June 2020 11:05:47(UTC)
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Kate

Hopeful, can you post a link to the Scottish guidance you mention please?  I haven't found much at all directed at businesses in Scotland.  It seems to be mostly just "Stay at home"!

biker1  
#8 Posted : 25 June 2020 11:11:57(UTC)
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biker1

An interesting question, and one I suspect we will not get resolved until there has been a test case in court. Normally, commuting is classed as being one of the 'normal' risks of life, and not within the employer's control or responsibility. It could be argued that COVID infection is a foreseeable risk on public transport, and since employers are requiring people to come to work, they bear some responsibility. However, RTAs, atmospheric pollution, heat stress etc are also foreseeable risks of commuting, and no-one has suggested that employers should bear responsibility for these. I can see courts being very reluctant to hold employers responsible, for fear of opening the floodgates for litigation, and to restrict responsibility to COVID cases might be difficult in practice. Perhaps we should expect some guidance from the HSE on this.

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A Kurdziel on 25/06/2020(UTC)
John Murray  
#9 Posted : 25 June 2020 11:16:52(UTC)
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John Murray

For many people any sort of infection is a health disaster, so not so much a phobia, more self-preservation.

And public transport is right at the top of the table for places you are likely to become infected in/on.

"First of all, boroughs that do no contain any underground station seem to have incidence rates lower than than average 9.73 (per 100,000). The average ILI incidence in boroughs without underground is 7.61, while it is 10.24 in boroughs with underground station" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih...pmc/articles/PMC6280530/

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I have been using public transport not get to work for a few weeks now. I wear a snazzy face mask and so do most of my fellow travellers but you do see people who are mask-less.

The main source of trauma is the attitude of the people brought in to manage the one way system at Leeds they are not familiar with.  The station is fairly empty and as I have to change trains there I am sometimes directed in completely the wrong direction by these helpful souls, but you just have to suck it up I suppose.

Some people do get very nervous about the idea of infection (of any sort) and in some it borders on a phobia. This is a mental health issue and should be dealt with (hopefully sympathetically) under your organisations mental health policies.

hopeful  
#10 Posted : 25 June 2020 11:26:15(UTC)
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hopeful

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Kate on 25/06/2020(UTC)
Kate  
#11 Posted : 25 June 2020 11:40:35(UTC)
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Kate

Thanks for that link Hopeful - I have now learned my lesson that if guidance for my sector isn't available, look at the guidance that is available for something else!  Clearly a lot of the stuff applicable to manufacturing will also apply to other workplaces, commuting being a prime example.

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