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Messy  
#1 Posted : 18 August 2020 12:53:50(UTC)
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Messy

My firm have been thrust into the 21st century by Covid restrictions. We now have at least 60% of staff working at home at any given time and have invested heavily in laptops and other IT infrastructure for this rapid business change. I am currently writing a long report and have been typing for three hours and my neck is now sore Is their any requirement for employers to consider DSE assessments when staff are at home? Thanks
Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 18 August 2020 12:58:38(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Don't confuse activity and location - "home working" is being at work in their domestic property.

DSE assessments are required for "users" at work.

or in three letters YES

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 18 August 2020 12:58:38(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Don't confuse activity and location - "home working" is being at work in their domestic property.

DSE assessments are required for "users" at work.

or in three letters YES

Kate  
#4 Posted : 18 August 2020 13:19:04(UTC)
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Kate

They should be telling you to have a screen break every hour.

CptBeaky  
#5 Posted : 19 August 2020 07:33:44(UTC)
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CptBeaky

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/UKHSE/bulletins/29a95db

Is the latest HSE bulletin. From the "temporary home working link" within that bulletin (

"There is no increased risk from DSE work for those working at home temporarily. So in that situation employers do not need to ask them to carry out home workstation assessments"

So it all really depends on whether this is a temporary measure, or if it is a long term thing. However, (the next few lines)

"During any period of temporary home working, employers need to regularly discuss these arrangements with their employees. If such work is adversely affecting the health, safety and welfare of their employees, they should take appropriate steps."

So if you have a concern, they need to act on it, just as if you were at the work premises.

Kate  
#6 Posted : 19 August 2020 10:48:22(UTC)
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Kate

Five months on from "work at home if you can" coming in, "temporary" is sounding a bit outdated for those of us still doing this.

thanks 1 user thanked Kate for this useful post.
HSSnail on 19/08/2020(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 19 August 2020 10:53:26(UTC)
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Roundtuit

"temporary permanent" - a quick fix to address an issue that becomes embedded in the business practices

Those with experience of Denso tape pipe repair will appreciate what this means.

Roundtuit  
#8 Posted : 19 August 2020 10:53:26(UTC)
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Roundtuit

"temporary permanent" - a quick fix to address an issue that becomes embedded in the business practices

Those with experience of Denso tape pipe repair will appreciate what this means.

Kate  
#9 Posted : 19 August 2020 11:00:43(UTC)
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Kate

Let me guess, does it mean leaks and repeated repairs?

HSSnail  
#10 Posted : 19 August 2020 12:33:07(UTC)
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HSSnail

Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post

Five months on from "work at home if you can" coming in, "temporary" is sounding a bit outdated for those of us still doing this.

I agree Kate - but i keep getting told we will want staff back in the office - just not sure when!

And as for the Denso tape, i think Roundtuit meant this is a tape that fixes leaks temporary - until you vcan replace the pipe etc, but it ends up that the Denso becomes the fix and nothing else happens.

aud  
#11 Posted : 19 August 2020 14:54:29(UTC)
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aud

Hi Messy. Neck ache suggests that you are using your laptop in it's pure form, thus leaning forward and down to see the screen.

Apart from taking regular short breaks, the simplest immediate solution is to get a separate keyboard and mouse, then put your open laptop onto something to lift the screen to a comfortable position, likely to be between 15 - 30 cms from table-top. A lap tray, sturdy cardboard box or similar will do this. Time to implement = 5 minutes if you already have a keyboard & mouse. Two days if you have to procure these. Or persuade your company to provide a laptop riser with kb & mouse or trackball. That might take a bit longer but will be a more elegant solution.

Lean back slightly in your chair if you can, so that when your muscles get tired you will tend to slump backwards against the back rather than lean forwards with your heavy head. 

Edited by user 19 August 2020 14:55:17(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Messey  
#12 Posted : 20 August 2020 21:21:26(UTC)
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Messey

Many thanks with your replies

Aud, you are spot on, but I am making changes and advising colleagues do so too

I agree, the temporary is becoming the new normal now, so I will be making a few more demands

My employer will only allow peripherals to be connnected to their laptops that they provide. I have asked for a wireless keyboard and mouse, so I can put my laptop in a stand and try and raise the screen to the height of my PC and wait to hear their reply

nic168  
#13 Posted : 24 August 2020 14:16:10(UTC)
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nic168

 Messy, can I suggest you get the DSE user training "refreshed" to all staff- this might jog a few into better awareness. The HSE page you refer to has a tool box on DSE at the end.

Honestly, After 5 months I think we have moved beyond "temporary" and should be investing in some form of self assessment or evaluation.Picking up any aches and pains now could save a lot of remedial action, costly equipment  and lost time (and paperwork) later.

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