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Dandal88  
#1 Posted : 09 November 2020 11:07:35(UTC)
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Dandal88

Hello,

In terms of statutory inspections, would a cantideck (pictured below) come under temporary works, LOLER or PUWER?

I'm of the opinion that they come under Temporary Works, however a site manager is of the opinion that they come under LOLER, on the basis that it has a thorough examination certificate and has SWL's identified on them. 

Any thoughts would be great.

Thanks

 

HSSnail  
#2 Posted : 09 November 2020 11:46:05(UTC)
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HSSnail

They dont appear to lift anything so i would discount LOLAR - not sure i understand what they do - looks like you still need a FLT or similar to lift the load to the deck - why not just have a gate?

Dandal88  
#3 Posted : 09 November 2020 12:06:24(UTC)
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Dandal88

They're used as loading bays for the crane to load/offload materials/equipment to various floors. Think of them as like a temporary balcony - opertatives can access the deck to recieve materials/equipment from the crane. 

HSSnail  
#4 Posted : 09 November 2020 13:03:33(UTC)
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HSSnail

so other than giving you more space what advantage do they have over an "up and over" lodding bay gate? But anyway definatley not LOLAR.

Dandal88  
#5 Posted : 09 November 2020 14:47:14(UTC)
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Dandal88

For starters, the photo below is an example and it isn't my site. The site where we have them is 20 storeys high and they are spread at various intervals.

Cantidecks aren't used to provide more space - they are used as a fixed, secure, safe loading bay which is essentially a passive system; the user is not required to move any parts or action the opening of gates etc. As an example, they allow a slinger to work safely when tying/untying a load to be lifted - no restraint harness necessary.

Loading bay gates however, require human interaction and therefore can open the door to human error - they would also be a logistical nightmare when lifting in materials/equipment by crane.

Whether it's a cantideck/loading bay gates - it's governed by the site requirements. If the working platform is on a house and materials need to be lifted 3 metres or so, loading bay gates are the way to go as the materials are being raised from below. If you are working up 10 storeys off the ground, using loading bay gates would be dangerous when a cantideck system is available.  

https://youtu.be/Ky3X14uDq1E - here you go

peter gotch  
#6 Posted : 09 November 2020 15:23:19(UTC)
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peter gotch

Dandal, all assuming that you are in Great Britain, if not apply the parallel legislation appropriate to your location (except that a BS might not apply directly, but with the same principles being relevant).....

,,,,,,,quoting from the Health and Safety Executive

Temporary works is defined in BS5975: 2008 “Code of practice for temporary works procedures and the permissible stress design of falsework” as “(those) parts of the works that allow or enable construction of, protect, support or provide access to, the permanent works and which might or might not remain in place at the completion of the works”.

So your Cantideck is a cantilevered extension to a scaffold or possibly e.g. the floors of a structure that falls within the BS definition of Temporary Works.

This is implicit in that someone has done the calculations to determine what the safe working load of the Cantideck is.

If attached to a scaffold, it would be sensible to include it within the statutory inspection regime for the scaffold as set out in the Construction (Design and Management) Regulations 2015.

If attached to another structure, then it would fall within the definition of "scaffold" in its own right.

Either way, it should come with supplier information as to what needs to be checked and when.

achrn  
#7 Posted : 09 November 2020 15:45:41(UTC)
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achrn

Originally Posted by: Brian Hagyard Go to Quoted Post

so other than giving you more space what advantage do they have over an "up and over" lodding bay gate? But anyway definatley not LOLAR.

When it's twenty stories up, a tower crane that has a jib twenty stories further up can put a load down on one, mainly.

Not LOLER.  I'd control it as temporary works, but that's not exclusive of PUWER. Tempoary works still needs to satisfy PUWER.

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HSSnail  
#8 Posted : 10 November 2020 08:44:49(UTC)
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HSSnail

When it's twenty stories up, a tower crane that has a jib twenty stories further up can put a load down on one, mainly.

Not LOLER.  I'd control it as temporary works, but that's not exclusive of PUWER. Tempoary works still needs to satisfy PUWER.

Thank you that makes sence now - could just not understand it from the picture.

HSSnail  
#9 Posted : 10 November 2020 08:48:28(UTC)
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HSSnail

 If you are working up 10 storeys off the ground, using loading bay gates would be dangerous when a cantideck system is available.  

https://youtu.be/Ky3X14uDq1E - here you go

Sorry if my post came across as a bit critical - it was meant to be a genuine question to increase my knowledge. Now you explain they are used with Craines i get it entirely - looking at the picture you posted i was thinking lift trucks.

But still definatly not LOLAR!

Alfasev  
#10 Posted : 10 November 2020 10:03:13(UTC)
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Alfasev

These are temporary works and it will be BS BS5975 that needs to be followed. BS5975 has just been update. These crane loading platforms are bolted to the permanent structure. As with all temporary works they do have to be periodically inspected and there will be a safe working load. These are Cat 2/3 temporary works and there should be a host of checks and measures in place including a thorough examination certificate.They are a manufactured product and also have to be used as per the manufacture’s instructions.

They use of these cantideck is something that must be considered at the early structural design stage as the permanent structure has to be designed to support the additional loads.

There should be a temporary works supervisor who should have all the answers for you.

Lawlee45239  
#11 Posted : 10 November 2020 12:57:48(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

Originally Posted by: Dandal88 Go to Quoted Post

Hello,

In terms of statutory inspections, would a cantideck (pictured below) come under temporary works, LOLER or PUWER?

I'm of the opinion that they come under Temporary Works, however a site manager is of the opinion that they come under LOLER, on the basis that it has a thorough examination certificate and has SWL's identified on them. 

Any thoughts would be great.

Thanks

 

Yes under temp works, as the floor on which it sits/ and the floor overhead, needs to be at required strength to support the cantideck, 

Yes under LOLER as it itself is a lifting accessory with lifting lugs that gets lifted into and out of position, perhaps infrequently or more often

Yes under PUWER, as it is a piece of work equipment, it will need to be checked that is it is propped ok, the props are still in place, and that there is no damage, that the gagtes are operating or locked. 

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