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Lauren3101  
#1 Posted : 13 May 2021 15:02:23(UTC)
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Lauren3101

I feel like this is potentially a really silly question but I don't really know where to ask. 

I'm the first to admit that fire regs are not really my forte but I do know that fire escape routes should not be blocked. 

I visited a warehouse yesterday (I'm new to my role and the business) and found a barrier pulled over a clearly marked fire escape route, so it's obstructed. However, the reason it is there is because they are trying to stop people from coming in through the door and walking left onto the warehouse floor, where there are operational fork lift trucks. I don't know if it's worth adding that the barrier is not heavy and could be easily moved in the event of a fire.

I haven't yet added this to the audit report and was wondering if someone with a little more clue than me could tell me if this was acceptable given the circumstances, or if it's still a no no? 

biker1  
#2 Posted : 13 May 2021 15:40:53(UTC)
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biker1

Easily solved by having a proper fire exit door, i.e. can only opened from the inside via a push bar. Any obstruction to a fire exit should be removed, as in the inevitable panic of a real fire, people often don't think clearly or calmly, and can find any obstruction difficult. A lot or people using the exit will compound the situation, as has been demonstrated in the past.

O'Donnell54548  
#3 Posted : 13 May 2021 17:05:00(UTC)
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O'Donnell54548

Originally Posted by: biker1 Go to Quoted Post

Easily solved by having a proper fire exit door, i.e. can only opened from the inside via a push bar. Any obstruction to a fire exit should be removed, as in the inevitable panic of a real fire, people often don't think clearly or calmly, and can find any obstruction difficult. A lot or people using the exit will compound the situation, as has been demonstrated in the past.

Not sure from biker 1's description if the door is the problem, as he only mentions that the route is blocked. Does he mean the route to the door? or the route from the door in an emergency? And if so who is at risk? the people on the left or right of the barrier????

However if the barriers is light and easily moved then it's not serving any useful purpose anyway  

chris42  
#4 Posted : 14 May 2021 07:40:18(UTC)
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chris42

I think people are having difficulty imagining the set up. Is this door in a wall that leads into a corridor, where if you walk through the door and turn left you go to the warehouse and if you turn right you go somewhere else?

You should not have to move a barrier however light in order to get out! Or is it a case they can just walk around it ?? and the route needs a slight mod?

Very hard to help if we cannot picture the scene.

Chris

firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 14 May 2021 09:27:53(UTC)
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firesafety101

A proper fire exit should be readily available for use at all times people are in the premises.

Seems to me that it is a control issue, humans are naturally lazy and will take a short cut whenever they can.  As above if it is a designated fire exit have it closed and secured by use of a panic bar, also have it checked at least daily to ensure it is as it should be.  Record all checks either on paper or electronically.

Employees need to be TOLD in no uncertain term to never abuse the fire exit.

Place a sign on the outside face of the door i.e. FIRE EXIT KEEP CLEAR NO ENTRY.

That should sort it.

  

Messey  
#6 Posted : 14 May 2021 15:40:28(UTC)
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Messey

I am also struggling to fully picture the situation. 

However if its a lightweight barrier that can be easily moved in seconds and is aimed at reducing the risks associated with moving forklift trucks, it doesn't sound like much of a problem.

The expected growth of fire (stacks of cardboard v bags of gravel) and the amount of people expected to use the exit are key parts of the assessment as to whether the barrier is acceptable, as is the operation of the barrier - ie could it interfere with the opening of the final exit, access to a manual call point or fire extinguishers?

Lastly - Lauren please don't take this personally - but are you suitably competent to audit fire safety matters? We all have to learn, which is why mentoring is so important. But if you are flying solo here, its a huge professional risk - so take care 

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