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ianjones  
#1 Posted : 03 June 2021 11:41:07(UTC)
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ianjones

We are revisting the use of fire wardens - the site is a factory and warehouse

whenevver we do a fire drill we have to wait for fire marshall to come back from a sweep which becuse of the size and multiple rooms can take a while to physcially cehck everywhere

Invariably some of them are on holiday or sick so areas get missed...

In practivce we have come to rely on the Managers and Team Leaders accounting for all of their staff

The current thinking is that we use the Fire Marshalls to concentrate on prevention of fire.

What are you all doing

Kate  
#2 Posted : 03 June 2021 14:26:04(UTC)
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Kate

I would be very uncomfortable without a sweep.  There may be people you have forgotten or don't know about such as contractors and visitors.  And if someone is missing, you need to find out where they are anyway (by sweeping the building for them).

Gerry Knowles  
#3 Posted : 03 June 2021 14:47:51(UTC)
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Gerry Knowles

Its always going to be a tricky one, when you have a very large building as it will take a long time to ensure that everyone is accounted for, and that is what the objective is to ensure that everyone gets out and they can go home.  The easiest way to do that is to have a fire marshal of other person sweep their area.  That can be achieved very quickly by making the areas as small. This will reduce the travel time or the sweeper.  Ok it does take up a person from each area but with a bit of careful route planning it is achievable.  

I think the best system I ever saw was in a company that made items for the ministry of defence.  They had a vast factory with warehousing and offices.  The security system made it easy for them.  Everyone carried a proximity card that they had to present to a reader on every door they passed through, so the system was in effect tracking the location of every employee including when they left site.  In the event of an evacuation practice or otherwise they exited the building by the nearest fire exit, of which they had many and presented their card to the reader at their evacuation point.  The system then struck them off the list and had the last location of anyone that was missing.  This included visitors, contractors etc. They claimed that they could account for or know the location of anyone one site within four minutes of an alarm going off. 

If it worked it was very impressive. 

Messey  
#4 Posted : 04 June 2021 03:55:27(UTC)
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Messey

Unless you have a reliable, resilient and robust system for accounting for staff and visitors, its very unlikely that your employer’s management of fire safety would be deemed compliant.

Whether you use a sweep or roll call, it has to work 101% of the time, and that is really difficult to achieve without some effort and cost.

A roll call system is largely ineffective unless everyone books in and out every time they leave the building, even if they are retrieving something from their car , having a smoke or popping over the road to buy a sandwich 

Using electronic systems can work, but not always. My Head Office is in a city centre. Everyone (except visitors) carries a proximity card but there is no outside space to locate readers and with thousand of staff leaving a dozen exits along a 900m building perimeter, there would need to be numerous mobile/hand held reader points taken to RVPs which is getting complicated 

The sweep method works well. We use a process where each floor is divided into sections and in an emergency, trained fire wardens proceed to a central point on each floor. They select their chosen sweep zone (A, B or C etc). Two wardens sweep each zone following a predetermined route shown on a plan, then leave the to report to a Fire Coordinator who had already set up their RVP in the street a couple of hundred of metres away

The Coordinator uses a checklist to tick off the areas that are confirmed cleared as wardens arrive, and constantly updates the Building Manager who is still at the site (and liaising with the fire service) by phone. 

It is not a quick system as its a big building with an occupancy of circa 5000. Being a city centre, the fire service will arrive perhaps 10 to 15 minutes before we can account for all persons. We have liaised with them and they are happy

It is not cheap. We maintain 200 fire wardens and around 10 coordinators. In a given 12 month period, staff leave, move floor, get pregnant and generally make managing the distribution and availability of wardens a huge logistical challenge. Plus they all need training annually (so more than one course per month) which creates more administration and expense. 

Covid has further complicated matters. Less staff, longer working days due to spilt shifts and more 24/7 working has meant we can only aim at a ‘best endeavours’ approach. Training by Teams rather than face to face, and a changed procedure where staff are encouraged to look out for others as they evacuate have been introduced 

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A Kurdziel on 07/06/2021(UTC)
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