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Gasman  
#1 Posted : 03 June 2021 09:11:07(UTC)
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Gasman

Scenario: Worker injury results in 6 days off. Worker comes back to work, but can't quite do exactly what they used to? 

Technically becomes a RIDDOR as can't return to normal duties. 

In your opinion, do companies still report it as RIDDOR? Is there any guidance/clarification on the term normal duties? For example: Employee has a sore back and blames employer becuase had to stack more boxes than usual that day. The employee is a wharehouse operative and picks and packs orders and does general duties around a wharehouse. This employee says back is sore and decides to have 3 days off. The employee returns saying my back is fine, but I don't want to risk further injury so I require light duties for a week. This then becomes a RIDDOR? Maybe the light duties are completing orders at a desk or printing lables etc so not "Normal duties" but normal duties requires definition? Normal could mean just being in the wharehouse again? My point as well is that I think the above example is not in the nature of a RIDDOR? or I am wrong? 

CptBeaky  
#2 Posted : 03 June 2021 09:18:00(UTC)
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CptBeaky

A few points here.

Whether people do report light duty returns to RIDDOR will vary greatly, but I would bet dollars to donuts that many companies don't, whether through ignorance, malice or fear.

A sore back would not be reportable anyway, RIDDOR makes this clear in their definitions

Injuries themselves, eg 'feeling a sharp twinge', are not accidents. There must be an identifiable external event that causes the injury, eg a falling object striking someone. Cumulative exposures to hazards, which eventually cause injury (eg repetitive lifting), are not classed as 'accidents' under RIDDOR.

There was a debate over whether normal duties include all duties they would normally do, or just those duties required for that specific day. I am firmly in the "all duties duties they normally carry out" camp. In either case normal duties are the duties that the person would carry out as a regular part of their day to day employment, not additional work found to keep them busy.

I hope that helps

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Gasman  
#3 Posted : 03 June 2021 09:23:05(UTC)
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Gasman

Thanks that does help, but I probably used a bad example in regards a persons back. 

chris42  
#4 Posted : 03 June 2021 09:39:24(UTC)
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chris42

reported

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HSSnail  
#5 Posted : 03 June 2021 10:36:54(UTC)
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HSSnail

Like many i had always assumed (and yes i know what that makes me and you) that a person had to be fit to do all their duties so "light duties" would still require a RIDDOR.

So rather than look at the guidance i have gone back to the regs.

What they actualy say is

 Where any person at work is incapacitated for routine work for more than seven consecutive days (excluding the day of the accident) because of an injury resulting from an accident arising out of or in connection with that work,

It defines routine work thus.

“routine work” means work which a person might reasonably be expected to do, either under that person’s contract of employment, or, if there is no such contract, in the normal course of that person’s work;

No where does it sall ALL ROUTINE WORK. Iam no longer as convinced as i was that light duties would require a riddor - providing those douties were still routine work - as far as i know this has never been tested in a court of Law - would be greatful if anyone can point me to a case.

RVThompson  
#6 Posted : 04 June 2021 07:01:01(UTC)
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RVThompson

Reported.

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stokesy85  
#7 Posted : 14 June 2021 19:23:32(UTC)
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stokesy85

Hi,

Under RIDDOR reg 4 it quotes as below,

  • "Injuries to workers which result in their incapacitation for more than 7 days (Regulation 4"

incapacitation means, Incapacitation is defined as a state of being disabled, or unable to move or function. (Collins Dictionary).

Hope This Helps

HSSnail  
#8 Posted : 15 June 2021 07:25:36(UTC)
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HSSnail

Originally Posted by: stokesy85 Go to Quoted Post

Hi,

Under RIDDOR reg 4 it quotes as below,

  • "Injuries to workers which result in their incapacitation for more than 7 days (Regulation 4"

incapacitation means, Incapacitation is defined as a state of being disabled, or unable to move or function. (Collins Dictionary).

Hope This Helps

Your missing a cruitial word here - that being "routine" and no way does RIDDOR expect you to be totaly unable to move! Colins Dictionary is not an approved standared under HASAW. So the question still stands - is it some routine work or all routine work?

Edited by user 15 June 2021 07:26:42(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

peter gotch  
#9 Posted : 15 June 2021 08:48:52(UTC)
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peter gotch

Stokesy, to clarify Brian's comment it is a legal convention in British law from I don't know exactly where that if something is not defined in legislation (or the parent of legislation) then interpretation is via reference to the Oxford English Dictionary.

Cambridge might have recently outperformed Oxford in the Boat Race but when it comes to legal interpretation Oxford wins all the time.

So, as example, if you read a code of regulations made under the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974, there is usually Regulation 2 which interprets various terms, though you might find definitions elsewhere as well. If the term you are looking for is not defined in the Regulations, your next step is to look for an interpretation in HSWA, which failing you default to the OED.

P

A Kurdziel  
#10 Posted : 15 June 2021 10:30:18(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

If you are really being pedantic it’s the version of the OED current when the legislation was drafted.

achrn  
#11 Posted : 15 June 2021 10:35:21(UTC)
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achrn

Originally Posted by: peter gotch Go to Quoted Post

Stokesy, to clarify Brian's comment it is a legal convention in British law from I don't know exactly where that if something is not defined in legislation (or the parent of legislation) then interpretation is via reference to the Oxford English Dictionary.

Is this true?  If a word is undefined, then it carries its ordinary meaning, but as far as I am aware, no one dictionary has special status in determining ordinary meaning.

A Kurdziel  
#12 Posted : 15 June 2021 10:56:00(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

extrinsic guidance is what it's called

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