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So, where i work has sold a maintenance visit to a client for an Evac+Chair MK4. They have only sold 1 x PPM per annum. (NOTE: its sales... the answer was yes, now whats the question!!) Having quickly read online, PUWER applies as its a Class1 Medical Device. My question is. Does LOLER apply? Reading the HSE website that would be a 'yes' as its work equipment AND it is designed to lift people BUT only in an emergency. Would this then mean that we should be providing 2 x PPM visits per annum as a minimum? OR is it solely based on a client RA and their request for 1 x visit per annum (even if (imo) they are not competent to determine the minimum requirements) Does anyone know of any specific maintenance requirements at set years i.e: traction belts to be replaced every 6yrs whether used or not! Thanks All
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If its a manual chair (i.e.power supplied by the other person) I dont see LOLAR applying -, like a pallet truck whose function is to move something.- if its one of the flash powered ones - but like a step climber them yes LOLAR probably would apply.
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From your post it sounds as though this is not a field of competence either for the company nor its employees. I am yet to understand why sales persons so often struggle with the principle of "sell what the company does", rather than acting like a nodding dog and selling what the customer asks for (even where the two are, as appear in this case, so disparate).
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From your post it sounds as though this is not a field of competence either for the company nor its employees. I am yet to understand why sales persons so often struggle with the principle of "sell what the company does", rather than acting like a nodding dog and selling what the customer asks for (even where the two are, as appear in this case, so disparate).
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Originally Posted by: Brian Hagyard  If its a manual chair (i.e.power supplied by the other person) I dont see LOLAR applying -, like a pallet truck whose function is to move something.- if its one of the flash powered ones - but like a step climber them yes LOLAR probably would apply.
Yeah, i foudn a HSE paper that says if the primary function is to lift then LOLER would apply... but as its a chair as its primary function (manual not powered!) then the lifting is just the task it does. But i have told the sales guy to NEVER offer maintenance on a powered unit without using the manufacturer
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Originally Posted by: Roundtuit From your post it sounds as though this is not a field of competence either for the company nor its employees. I am yet to understand why sales persons so often struggle with the principle of "sell what the company does", rather than acting like a nodding dog and selling what the customer asks for (even where the two are, as appear in this case, so disparate).
Not yet!
Although, training thus far only appears to be for users of the chair rather than of servicing the chair (searching online). I've managed to find a 'visual inspection' guide for manual (not powered) units, but even that suggests replacing parts at certain points (track belt at 6yrs) I'm forever going on at the sales guys about asking for support before agreeing, whats more annoying is that the sales guy asked permission from a senior manager who said yes... but still hadn't done the research to remain compliant to any fire or H&S legislation The important thing is my bottom is covered for when we end up in front of a judge!
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Not pre-judging any proceedings but that manager has nominated themselves for gross-negligence, which in the case of manslaughter is potentially a conviction of 18 years - all for the sake of a few quid "quick sale". Act in haste...repent at leisure. Edited by user 05 July 2021 11:08:08(UTC)
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Not pre-judging any proceedings but that manager has nominated themselves for gross-negligence, which in the case of manslaughter is potentially a conviction of 18 years - all for the sake of a few quid "quick sale". Act in haste...repent at leisure. Edited by user 05 July 2021 11:08:08(UTC)
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it is for patient handling...the requirement is from RRFSO for evacuation... Yes LOLER applies but only the same as it does for a car jack or an office chair...it has to be maintained in line with the manufacurers instructions...
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i stand (or sit ) by my answer - its primary function is not for lifting or lowering but to "slide" some one down the steps. The HSE used to give the example of a winch on a car recovery trailor which "pulled" the car up the ramp, it did not lift. But that same winch in a different situation could be used to lift and so would then be LOLAR.
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Definately not LOLER, PUWER all the way!
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I mean't to say PUWER not LOLER...I am off to the back of the class... :(
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