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SPR  
#1 Posted : 11 August 2021 12:25:07(UTC)
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SPR

Hi all, I have just had the go ahead to have a H&S Management system, the system Im looking at would have the following: 1. User friendly 2. Document control management, so where all H&S documents are stored 3. Audit tracking facility for version control when any amendments are carried out on docs 4. An action tracker, where you can assign an action to a person and give a time frame for completion 5. The possibility of reporting accidents via the system Anyone recommend any systems out there, there are so many when you Google...

peter gotch  
#2 Posted : 11 August 2021 13:41:02(UTC)
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peter gotch

SPR - what does your organisation do for e.g. quality management and environmental management systems?

If either or both of these are done electronically and meets your criteria 1-4, then why not base your health and safety management systems on the same methods - then all you would need to do would be to add something to cater for incident reporting and investigation - and even that might have a parallel in your QMS and/or EMS.

SPR  
#3 Posted : 11 August 2021 14:19:42(UTC)
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SPR

Peter gotch - I would not be asking is we already had an electronic system in place......

A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 11 August 2021 15:14:39(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Nobody is going to give you the  recommendation for THE system for YOUR business. As you said there are loads of systems out there, some good, some bad, some cheap, some eye wateringly expensive.  So you can decide on a budget and  find about 5 or 6 systems that seem to be ok. Ask the vendors for a quote for YOUR business making sure that it complies with your general specifications. Then eliminate the mad and the bad and focus on the one or two reasonable looking systems. That is when you can start asking people on the forum what they know about particular products.  Then challenge the vendors to  make the system as tailor made for you and your business  as possible.

 Finally select the right one on the basis of best value for money.

SPR  
#5 Posted : 12 August 2021 05:19:09(UTC)
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SPR

I give up, it was a simple question, I will research into the systems, I have asked what others use and if they would recommend?

Im fully aware all systems are different, and that these can be tailored to the means of the Company.

HSSnail  
#6 Posted : 12 August 2021 07:23:58(UTC)
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HSSnail

2. When using the forums you are expected at all times to be polite and respectful towards all forum users including the Forum Moderators and IOSH employees.

8. Advertising of jobs, goods or services for commercial gain is not allowed.

As such we may be in breach of Rule 8 by telling you what we use (even if its not our gain)

It can be difficult with emails etc to read them in the same way they are intened by the righter - but i personaly find your responses to fellow forum members very disrespectful.

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Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 12 August 2021 07:48:59(UTC)
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Roundtuit

It is not about what system someone would recommend, it is about what system came with the least number of compromises from the companies ideal.

Nobody goes out of their way to recommend the mundane.

None of the commercial offerings are exceptional - if they were the market would have a single known supplier.

We have five different platforms in operation as we have never located a provider that can effectivley bring all the aspects under a single solution without major compromises.

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Roundtuit  
#8 Posted : 12 August 2021 07:48:59(UTC)
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Roundtuit

It is not about what system someone would recommend, it is about what system came with the least number of compromises from the companies ideal.

Nobody goes out of their way to recommend the mundane.

None of the commercial offerings are exceptional - if they were the market would have a single known supplier.

We have five different platforms in operation as we have never located a provider that can effectivley bring all the aspects under a single solution without major compromises.

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A Kurdziel on 12/08/2021(UTC), A Kurdziel on 12/08/2021(UTC)
peter gotch  
#9 Posted : 12 August 2021 10:35:37(UTC)
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peter gotch

Brian - actually Rule 8 is not quite as restrictive as you suggest.

In the guidance the Rule is spelt out in greater detail....

8.5 All forum users may give brief details of a supplier or service in response to specific requests on the forum. Only simple contact details should be given on forum. Please note there is no restriction on sharing information via the private messaging facility

So, if someone had been given some elixir that solved all their problems with documenting the implementation of their management systems it would be OK to answer the original question.

P

craigroberts76  
#10 Posted : 12 August 2021 11:33:54(UTC)
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craigroberts76

I've been looking for something similar, and anything I've found is very costly. 1 system i get messaged about a lot looks cheap, but is limited to a small amount of Risk assessments per month, but we can be working on 10-20 sites easily per day that may require them.

I've created an excel workbook that does a lot of the work for me by hiding / unhiding tabs dependent on the tasks being untertaken and bringing in the COSHH as well. But this is because I used to be a coder so can do this in house. 

I've not got anywhere yet with allocating tasks to people thats simple and easy to use, so i manually track these in excel. If you listen to the grenfell enquiry, there are examples of them using systems and failing to monitor, report and followup on issues, so even large organisations stuggle.

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aud on 22/09/2021(UTC)
Powell21173  
#11 Posted : 21 September 2021 13:52:50(UTC)
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Powell21173

Maybe, if you have your own IT department, look at building your own system and design it to your needs. Have done this previously as you may have to do this with some off the shelf packages

Samantha Cook  
#12 Posted : 22 September 2021 11:52:54(UTC)
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Samantha Cook

We now have an integrated management system as this year we combined our ISO 9001, 14001 current certifications and recived our ISO 45001 certification for the first time.

Our current documents are placed under document control using an issue number and reference, which are all held on a document control log. It is our intention to place all of this onto sharepoint which i believe has its own version control within the system to track the history of the documents.

Hope this helps in someway.

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