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Good Morning I know this subject has been discussed previously but a slightly different query, i need some advice for a nursery school, the fire risk assessment has stated we need lightning protection. The propeties are all low storey bulding ie 2 max 3 storey and most are converted residential properties. Where do we start with this, is it best to contact the insurer in the first instance for advice? In the past its only something ive ever considered for taller properties and not sure its actually needed, do we need to go to a consultant to do a risk assessment? Just some advice on how to get started would be great thank you all. Andrew
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Two questions need asking 1) The FRA reporter needs to justify their statement (there is no UK regulation mandating such devices) just in case they did not correctly prepare your report (e.g. leaving a comment from a previous inspection in their template) 2) Where they do actually validate e.g. trees immediately adjacent to the property then it needs discussing with the insurer who should always be involved for installation/maintenance as it will impact upon the issued cover Must admit that a change of internal use is highly unlikely to impact upon whether the property suddenly now needs a lightning conductor.
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Two questions need asking 1) The FRA reporter needs to justify their statement (there is no UK regulation mandating such devices) just in case they did not correctly prepare your report (e.g. leaving a comment from a previous inspection in their template) 2) Where they do actually validate e.g. trees immediately adjacent to the property then it needs discussing with the insurer who should always be involved for installation/maintenance as it will impact upon the issued cover Must admit that a change of internal use is highly unlikely to impact upon whether the property suddenly now needs a lightning conductor.
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Recommendations for lightening protection is in a British Standard, BS 62305-1 to 4. However these documents are not an easy read and intended for experts or subject professionals. Most of the Building Regulations approved documents also refer to the British Standards, which give the recommendations a ambiguous legal status. I only have scant knowledge but from memory I think there is a height facture for the structure, but there are many factors - electrical, processed, steel frame buildings etc. As already posted I would ask the assessor to justify their findings.
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Regulatory FRAs are aimed at life safety and driving down risks to tolerable levels and NOT about eliminating all risk I have rarely advised on fitting lightening protection and where I have it's been for premises at elevated position with perhaps a difficult evacuation plan (with vulnerable persons) or where hazmats are in use. Or where exisiting protection is in place but has not been maintained. One could argue that a school contains vunerable persons, but again, its a judgement call by the person conducting the FRA and the RP when taking into account the design of the building, its means of escape and the profile of the students On the face of it, this looks like an assessor ticking boxes rather than providing a risk based solution
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I think I would be asking the fire risk assessor about his experience and qualifications for the area of lightning risk assessments. He/she may be competent and might explain why the lightning risk is in the report, otherwise they may not have a clue. Does this come down to the competence of the RP in understanding FRA reports ?
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Thank you all for your comments, yes i agree on all the points and they should have challenged the comptence of the FR assessor. I have advised they contact their insurer to see if the insurer insists they have it in their policy, the second option is to bring in a risk assessor to review. Thank you, really helpfull feedback and advice, much appreciated.
Andrew
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PAS 79 used to have a question which was something like "Is the building fitted with lightenling protection? So if your idea of completing a FRA is slavishly filling in a form, rather than assessing the risk you are faced with, you can get crap reports with excessive findings I still want to know where the life risk is in MOST low to medium rise premises to a fire orginating from a lightening strike ?
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Messey - thanks for inputting. I can see why it might be much more likely that lightning protection would be required on a historic structure than on a relatively new low rise building. On a historic structure the lightning protection might be at least as important from the point of view of avoiding loss of heritage than risk of harm to humans.
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