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Chris c  
#1 Posted : 01 September 2021 09:46:28(UTC)
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Chris c

H i All ,

Dose any one knowor can recomend a training provider in the uk  who can deliver Accident incident traning in   HFACS (human factors analysis classification) for accident incident 

many thanks 

  chris 

stevedm  
#2 Posted : 02 September 2021 08:53:40(UTC)
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stevedm

Who is your target audience and thier background.  as I am sure you are aware it is a process that needs some level of advanced training in psychology or related background...we applied it to high hazard COMAH (US request)...you would be better off finding a reliable practitioner and getting them to do the training...

Chris c  
#3 Posted : 02 September 2021 09:27:38(UTC)
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Chris c

Thanks Steve

i'm looking to train the safety team and some senior  management  in Accident and incident investgations 

so looking for a uk trainer ?

Holliday42333  
#4 Posted : 02 September 2021 10:03:44(UTC)
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Holliday42333

I did a course with ABB which was OK and a couple of others in that organisation did a course with The Keil Centre.  There is also an IOSH course as well, I believe.

To be honest, the table in this HSE document (http://www.hse.gov.uk/humanfactors/topics/types.pdf) is as good as anything for identifying and describing Human Factors in standard incident investigations.

Anything more and I would recommend engaging with a Human Factors consultant to facilitate that part of an investigation.

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CptBeaky on 02/09/2021(UTC)
peter gotch  
#5 Posted : 02 September 2021 12:49:53(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Chris

HFACS is just a way of categorising incident causation to provide some level of standardisation of reporting across sectors such as aviation or process industries.

So, you can find the categories for some sectors for free.

So, rather than looking specifically for training that follows the HFACS classifications, why not broaden your search and find someon who will provide general awareness training in the principles of root cause investigation techniques?

So, if your delegates understand the principles of say "5Ys" or "fishbone analysis" they could identify that most incidents have multiple causes and realise that it is more important to identify the underlying causes than those close to the coal face - this is about finding the left hand "dominoes" or "barriers" which if dealt with will prevent more future incidents than dealing with e.g. "violations" by front line workers and supervisors.

Once your delegates can do that, it should be quite easy for them to then pick and choose whatever descriptor of cause you want to categorise it by whether using HFACS or any other proprietary method of categorisation.

So, as example, you could be looking for a course whose programme is based on the principles set out in HSE guidance HSG245 (free download).

You might then want to opt for one method of root cause analysis as your preferred way of doing things or train people with a number of options so that they can then decide which THEY feel more comfortable with.

P

 

Chris c  
#6 Posted : 02 September 2021 13:15:49(UTC)
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Chris c

Thanks Pete

The team are all ready traing in root cause analysis im looking to bolster there experance so  they can go beyond   establishing what happened in order to gain a deeper understanding of why people at all levels in the organisation behaved as they did. so we can infulance behaviours in the fruture 

Thanks everyone for  the advice posted 

chris 

A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 02 September 2021 14:03:28(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Essentially what you are looking is  that  old favourite “Reducing Error and Influencing Behaviour” also know as HSG48 which is really asks the question why apparently intelligent people do stupid things, at least some of the time? It is not just about altering behaviours: it can also be about removing the human factor eg how to prevent  Skills based errors. No amount of training or motivation will stop a lapse or slip of action.   Similar people often do stupid things because everybody else does stupid things and it is custom and practice. That has to be dealt with at an organisational level  trying to change the culture through for example positive leadership. I have attended training led by Tim Marsh on that subject.   I have looked at some of the stuff about HFACS and a lot of it particularly  that stuff coming from the US seems to be about changing the individual rather changing the culture.

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