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jpc123  
#1 Posted : 28 November 2021 12:59:55(UTC)
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jpc123

I have to prepare a few training slides on the topic of what are the HSE lines of defence. There are many different models that cover this ranging from 3 lines to 5. Is there a general consensus on what the key defence lines are? Thanks for any help or advice

A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 29 November 2021 09:51:09(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I always use James Reason’s Swiss Cheese model. It might not be “right” but it does explain a number of  things including the fact most of the time we get away with it  through luck; the holes in the cheese don’t align at that particular moment.

In my place I have identified 4 slices:

  • Safety operating procedures supported by a process of risk assessment
  • Competence of staff who can spot the gaps in the above
  • Effective  management that actually supports H&S – in particular listens to competent staff
  • An overarching  positive H&S  culture from top to bottom that engages with everybody and makes sure that all of the above is happening
peter gotch  
#3 Posted : 29 November 2021 17:30:16(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi jpc123 - On the assumption that you are not talking about potential defences to criminal or civil legal action, I suppose the authoritative answer is the "General Principles of Prevention" as set out in the EU "Framework Directive" and transposed in Great Britain via Schedule 1 of the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999.

If you want a MUCH shorter list then you could go for Unsafe Acts (aka Behaviours) and Unsafe Conditions.

All too often the effort is focused on the Behaviours when sorting out the unsafe Conditions would be much more effective.

P

Kate  
#4 Posted : 29 November 2021 18:09:16(UTC)
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Kate

I suspect from the responses so far from well-informed colleagues that I am not alone in not having come across the term "HSE lines of defence".  What's the context of this?

The closest I have heard of is "layers of protection" which is essentially the Swiss cheese idea and just like that, can have as many layers of protection or sections of cheese as you want or need to describe, and what the layers of protection or sections of cheese actually consist of can be adapted to the situation rather than being generic.

Now I am getting hungry.

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jpc123 on 30/11/2021(UTC)
jpc123  
#5 Posted : 30 November 2021 08:01:36(UTC)
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jpc123

Thanks everyone for the help. Indeed the "Lines of defence" are now sometimes referred to instead of layers of protection. I am aware of the swiss cheese model but I am intersted to know if there are standards of what the layers of cheese gnerally are, e.g. Leadership, Culture, Training etc.....

HSSnail  
#6 Posted : 30 November 2021 08:30:41(UTC)
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HSSnail

Glad its not just me that was not familure with the term used in that way. I two use the swiss chease model - not just for accidents - tend to use the elmiments in HSG 64 as guidence to the layers, particulay those in te do section so comunucation, training, compitance etc.

CptBeaky  
#7 Posted : 30 November 2021 08:31:52(UTC)
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CptBeaky

Obviously I use a vegan alternative, that doesn't taste quite as good, but I would concur with A Kurdziel's approach. It seems to block the most common "holes" in your defence. 

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