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Bwalton1987  
#1 Posted : 12 December 2021 19:30:18(UTC)
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Bwalton1987

With Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon announcing changes to the isolation rules that household contacts of any person who tests positive for Covid should now isolate for ten days regardless of their vaccination status. I want to know how that affects people who live in England but might work in Scotland. Do they follow the advice of public health England or Scotland?
Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 12 December 2021 22:01:48(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Anything Krankie says is immaterial in the south - the words from Holyrood apply to those north of the border.

A UK GB & NI passport states: "Her Brittanic Majesty's Secretary of State Rquests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary".

If it is good enough for foreign travel the same must apply domestically.

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 12 December 2021 22:01:48(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Anything Krankie says is immaterial in the south - the words from Holyrood apply to those north of the border.

A UK GB & NI passport states: "Her Brittanic Majesty's Secretary of State Rquests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary".

If it is good enough for foreign travel the same must apply domestically.

Kate  
#4 Posted : 13 December 2021 02:23:06(UTC)
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Kate

I don't see why when in Scotland, you wouldn't have to obey Scottish law?

Entering Scotland in a condition which under Scottish law means you are not allowed to travel looks like you would be in breach of Scottish law from the moment you entered the nation.

An analogy would be alcohol limits for drivers.  If I remember correctly, Scotland has a lower limit than England does.  So if your alcohol level was under the English limit, but above the Scottish limit, you could legally drive in England but if you drove into Scotland, you would be driving illegally from the moment you entered the nation. 

Equally, if under English law you don't have to isolate but under Scottish law you would, it would seem that you would be in breach of Scottish law from the moment you entered Scotland.

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achrn  
#5 Posted : 13 December 2021 10:24:53(UTC)
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achrn

Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post

I don't see why when in Scotland, you wouldn't have to obey Scottish law?

Entering Scotland in a condition which under Scottish law means you are not allowed to travel looks like you would be in breach of Scottish law from the moment you entered the nation.

I agree, with the slight wrinkle that Sturgeon has announced it, but it doesn't seem to actually be law yet - "you are advised to self-isolate for 10 days - irrespective of vaccination status, PCR test result and age". If it was law, you would not be able to go to work in Scotland, because you'd be breaking the law when you stepped across the border. 

The situation currently is a bit meesy - Sturgeon would like it to be law, but as far as I can see, it isn't technically, but may as well be.

peter gotch  
#6 Posted : 13 December 2021 11:11:27(UTC)
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Agreed - currently guidance (not law) in Scotland - the Scottish Govt is due to make announcements in Holyrood on Tuesday - not the ridiculous take to the airwaves on a Sunday evening with a pie in the sky idea that will mess up NHS scheduling for the rest of December and well into 2022.

But perhaps the major difference is that the population in Scotland have been consistently supportive of what its Govt has been doing in terms of Covid - in stark contrast to the Prime Minister's ratings. The leader of the Scottish Conservatives (both an MP and an MSP) was broadcast yesterday expressing his disquiet about BoJo's position.

I expect an announcment on Tuesday that the vax programme in Scotland will be ramped up but without some promise to complete offers by the end of the year. Does anybody really believe that the NHS might vaccinate 1 million people in the UK on Christmas Day and another 1 million on Boxing Day?

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achrn  
#7 Posted : 13 December 2021 12:30:50(UTC)
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achrn

Originally Posted by: peter gotch Go to Quoted Post

But perhaps the major difference is that the population in Scotland have been consistently supportive of what its Govt has been doing in terms of Covid -

I'm not sure that's the whole picture - the business community has been thrown under a bus.  For a long time, for example, following government guidance would meant we couldn't ask our staff to come into the office to work, but we could have taken them all out to an 'adult entertainment venue' for hours one evening.

Also, my daughter (at university in Scotland) is currently facing Christmas alone in her room in her halls of residence - someone else on the corridor has just tested positive, following the government guidance the university has put the whole corridor into isolation (and strongly implied that breaking it will get you off your course).  No amount of negative testing avoids the isolation.  So she can't come home when planned (that train ticket is lost) and it's difficult to arrange travel on Christmas Eve with this little notice... I'm not feeling terribly 'consistently supportive' right now.

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I expect an announcment on Tuesday that the vax programme in Scotland will be ramped up but without some promise to complete offers by the end of the year. Does anybody really believe that the NHS might vaccinate 1 million people in the UK on Christmas Day and another 1 million on Boxing Day?

One of my local vaccination centres was offering Christmas day jabs a week or so ago - I don't know if they still are. I doubt they'll do a million people though.

HSSnail  
#8 Posted : 13 December 2021 15:26:08(UTC)
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HSSnail

Originally Posted by: peter gotch Go to Quoted Post

- not the ridiculous take to the airwaves on a Sunday evening with a pie in the sky idea that will mess up NHS scheduling for the rest of December and well into 2022.

 Does anybody really believe that the NHS might vaccinate 1 million people in the UK on Christmas Day and another 1 million on Boxing Day?

Now some people will know my maths can be a little suspect at times - but if we assume that someone can give 3 injections an hour (allowing for paperwork etc) than we need 333,333.333 hours of injection - if we make them work 8 hours a day thats 41,667 people injecting. According to the government figures there are 1465 sites offering injections so thats an average of 28 people per site!  Now i know we have some big sites but im not sure we can make that average!

Book early to avoid tired staff!

Bwalton1987  
#9 Posted : 13 December 2021 15:42:06(UTC)
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Bwalton1987

Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post

I don't see why when in Scotland, you wouldn't have to obey Scottish law?

Entering Scotland in a condition which under Scottish law means you are not allowed to travel looks like you would be in breach of Scottish law from the moment you entered the nation.

An analogy would be alcohol limits for drivers.  If I remember correctly, Scotland has a lower limit than England does.  So if your alcohol level was under the English limit, but above the Scottish limit, you could legally drive in England but if you drove into Scotland, you would be driving illegally from the moment you entered the nation. 

Equally, if under English law you don't have to isolate but under Scottish law you would, it would seem that you would be in breach of Scottish law from the moment you entered Scotland.

That was the same impression I had 

Alan Haynes  
#10 Posted : 13 December 2021 15:48:00(UTC)
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Alan Haynes

Originally Posted by: Brian Hagyard Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: peter gotch Go to Quoted Post
- not the ridiculous take to the airwaves on a Sunday evening with a pie in the sky idea that will mess up NHS scheduling for the rest of December and well into 2022. Does anybody really believe that the NHS might vaccinate 1 million people in the UKon Christmas Day and another 1 million on Boxing Day?
Now some people will know my maths can be a little suspect at times - but if we assume that someone can give 3 injections an hour (allowing for paperwork etc) than we need 333,333.333 hours of injection - if we make them work 8 hours a day thats 41,667 people injecting. According to the government figures there are 1465 sites offering injections so thats an average of 28 people per site! Now i know we have some big sites but im not sure we can make that average! Book early to avoid tired staff!
Earlier this year, a close relative achieved 40 jabs in 4 hrs session, so about 7 "jabbers" per site could do it.
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HSSnail  
#11 Posted : 13 December 2021 16:11:37(UTC)
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HSSnail

Earlier this year, a close relative achieved 40 jabs in 4 hrs session, so about 7 "jabbers" per site could do it.

I would not play them at darts - bet they never miss 180! 6 mins per Jab wow - i know the actual injection take's seconds but i was thinking there would be more admin.

pseudonym  
#12 Posted : 13 December 2021 16:38:44(UTC)
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A little saddened to see that no one has commented on the unecessary and uncalled for name-calling of politicians on this forum. Perhaps it was designed to be provocative, or perhaps malicious, but it has no place in what is supposed to be civilised discourse on a public forum

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Alan Haynes  
#13 Posted : 13 December 2021 20:51:23(UTC)
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Alan Haynes

Originally Posted by: Brian Hagyard Go to Quoted Post
[/quote) I would not play them at darts - bet they never miss 180! 6 mins per Jab wow - i know the actual injection take's seconds but i was thinking there would be more admin.
I've had 4 jabs in the last month - Booster, Shingles, Flu and Pneumonia. 3 of them ( with the nurse at my GP's) took several minutes, (say 10), as she had to fill in the paperwork and do the IT inputting. The Booster was over in a couple of minutes at the local pharmacy, as the "Jabber" jabbed, whilst others did the admin bits. So 6 minute/jab is ready achievable.

Edited by user 13 December 2021 20:53:02(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

achrn  
#14 Posted : 14 December 2021 10:07:30(UTC)
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achrn

Originally Posted by: pseudonym Go to Quoted Post

A little saddened to see that no one has commented on the unecessary and uncalled for name-calling of politicians on this forum. Perhaps it was designed to be provocative, or perhaps malicious, but it has no place in what is supposed to be civilised discourse on a public forum

Eh?

Sturgeon was referred to as 'Krankie' (and she does look like very much like the smaller Krankie), and Johnson was referred to as 'BoJo' (a commonly used abbreviation, including by supporters).  Which of those do you consider to be "unecessary and uncalled for", "provocative" or "malicious"?

I guarantee I have a much lower opinion of either of them than those labels imply. Both are much more civil than either deserve.

Kate  
#15 Posted : 11 February 2022 07:01:34(UTC)
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Kate

I'm opening this up again to mention how a Welsh minister has just been put on the spot on a similar question on Radio 4's Today programme.

The scenario is that self-isolation rules will continue to be a legal requirement in Wales after they are lifted in England.  The interviewer asked the minister how this would affect someone who lived in England and worked in Wales.

At first the minister claimed it was very clear and it was simply that when you were in Wales you had to follow Welsh rules.

The interviewer then pressed him on the scenario of someone who lives in Bristol,works in Cardiff and has Covid - would they be able to travel to their workplace?

All of a sudden the minister didn't sound quite so certain but said "I think" that would be in breach of Welsh legislation and then changed the subject to how difficult this was to enforce.

Edited by user 11 February 2022 07:04:37(UTC)  | Reason: seplling

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