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Karen_451  
#1 Posted : 15 March 2022 11:50:31(UTC)
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Karen_451

Morning all! 

Would greatly appreciate any help finding some statistics - I have been trying to find benchmark figures for falls on stairs to see how our own accident rate compares.

Ideally with figures for outdoor stairs in public places, but because of the lack of success in my research so far I can't afford to be choosy.

Another set of statistics that would be very useful is the risk of falling on stairs for different age groups - the likelihood and/or severity. (for example, how often does a fall result in death or permanent impairment)

(I'm aware of the responsibility to keep the risk as low as reasonably practicable - not intending to use statistics as an excuse to stop trying)

Best regards, Karen

A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 15 March 2022 13:38:17(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

“outdoor stairs in public places”

You can’t find them simply because they don’t exist. Nobody is collecting these  figures. Public places are not really workplaces and so they are not collected under RIDDOR. People will only report falls if they want to make a claim, which means that they will only occur if there is a significant injury. AI am not sure if local authorities collect this data and if they do they share it?   If you really want to know I suppose you could make a Freedom of Information request but then that would be for every local authority, and they would charge you for it. If you have an MP in your pocket (don’t we all!) they could ask a Parliamentary Question, which might get some sort of response.

Somebody might have commissioned research somewhere based on surveys with members of the public but I doubt it.

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Karen_451 on 20/03/2022(UTC)
peter gotch  
#3 Posted : 15 March 2022 14:55:11(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Karen

You could find some old data in the HASS and LASS databases.

Home Accident Surveillance System and Leisure.......

This was contracted to RoSPA until the Government pulled the financial plug. But RoSPA still has old data on its website.

P

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Karen_451 on 20/03/2022(UTC)
RVThompson  
#4 Posted : 15 March 2022 15:08:37(UTC)
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RVThompson

Hi Karen,

a few years ago I was lucky enough to work with a slips & trips specialist from the HSL, who now is part of the UK slip resistance group.

If you PM me, I can provide you with details - they may be able to help.

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Karen_451 on 20/03/2022(UTC)
peter gotch  
#5 Posted : 15 March 2022 17:04:54(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Karen

On reflection the other place you might wish to look is the Rail Safety and Standards Board "Safety Risk Model".

The SRM categorisations various types of incident to calculate how many "Equivalent Fatalities" they result in.

As example, 10 "major injuries" under the old RIDDOR counted as one equivalent fatality.

...and 200 or 2000 incidents resulting in less severe injury or illness ditto.

It helps with working out what is "reasonably practicable" as you can work out the cost to society of incidents at a macro level, by applying the Value for Preventing a Fatality (VPF) published by the Department for Transport.

DfT also publishes VPIs for various severities of injury but given that the RSSB model only looks at equivalent fatalities you could link all its figures to VPF currently set at a bit over £2m.

You would still need to work out what "Disproportionality Factor" (DF) you want to set to work out how much should be spent to do what is reasonably practicable.

In "R2P2", HSE says that it is unlikely that a DF exceeding 10 will be reasonably practicable but in most circumstances the boundary is likely to be MUCH less than 10.

...and you have to decide on whether your starting premise is "disproportion" or "gross disproportion".

Edwards v National Coal Board or Marshall v Gotham?

All of which might lead you to conclude that trying to play numbers games is problematic and, perhaps, you are better following established guidance as to what to do to stop people falling down stairs, wherever they are!

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A Kurdziel on 16/03/2022(UTC)
Xavier123  
#6 Posted : 16 March 2022 12:11:34(UTC)
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Xavier123

The same specialist (there's only one person it could be!) referred to by a poster above also contributed to this document:

https://www.ukslipresistance.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/UKSRG_safe_stairs_april_16.pdf

It doesn't deal with 'falls' but does deal with some statistics for oversteps i.e. a precursor to a fall.

It is one of the singularly most useful documents on this subject I've ever come across for getting people to think meaningfully about stairs and steps.

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Karen_451 on 20/03/2022(UTC), RVThompson on 22/03/2022(UTC), Kevin R on 25/03/2022(UTC)
RVThompson  
#7 Posted : 22 March 2022 13:31:09(UTC)
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RVThompson

Hi Karen,

have sent you a PM.

Xavier nailed it with his suggestion above.

Best of luck

R

Karen_451  
#8 Posted : 22 March 2022 14:05:12(UTC)
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Karen_451

Thank you for the contact person in your private message, R! Yes that document posted by Xavier is really useful.

Also downloaded the database suggested by Peter. This is a good forum isn't it! Thanks to all who posted.

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RVThompson on 22/03/2022(UTC), Kate on 22/03/2022(UTC)
RVThompson  
#9 Posted : 22 March 2022 14:13:18(UTC)
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RVThompson

It certainly is Karen.

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A Kurdziel on 22/03/2022(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#10 Posted : 22 March 2022 14:55:44(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

impressed with that!

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