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RayRay01  
#1 Posted : 28 March 2022 11:56:54(UTC)
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RayRay01

Good afternoon all , 

Im just look for a bit of clarification from the collective on this one, is the following correct as I understant it ? 

  • All volunteers are under the protection of "Common Law" until such a time as a fully time employee is present within the activity then all volunteers are classed as employees underthe HSAW Act ? 
  • The Act does not apply to wholey volunteer activies ?  
  • Risk assesments apply to both volunteers and employees ?  
  • and finally, Volunteers at a local hall have a limited duty of care to the property if it is not owned by the charity itself ? 

Any thought or insights to the confusion around volunteers and employees would be greatly welcomed. 

Thanks 

R  

 

A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 28 March 2022 12:50:25(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

OK Health and Safety at Work Act places duties on employers. If you are not an employer(including someone who is self employed) then you do not have duties under section 2 or 3 of the Act.

Obviously if there is no employer then there are no employees. An organisation with no employees at all has no duties under Health and Safety at Work Act(except under section 4 if they are in control of premises) if an organisation  has just one part time employee, then  then they come under the act. The employer’s duties to employees are spelt out in Section 2 while section 3 covers the employer’s duty to anybody who might be affected by their activities, including volunteers.

The duty to assess risks exists under the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations and covers risk both to employees and the risk to  ‘persons not in his employment arising out of or in connection with the conduct … of his undertaking’

The duty of care under the common law of negligence covers everybody to a certain extent. The duty is elaborated in certain circumstances depending on the relationship between the parties.  

RayRay01  
#3 Posted : 28 March 2022 14:20:19(UTC)
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RayRay01

Thanks A Kurdziel, I though as much but as the whole volunteer aspect is new to me I thought id get a bit of clarification for the wider community  :)  

Thanks again R

Alan Haynes  
#4 Posted : 28 March 2022 15:09:01(UTC)
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Alan Haynes

peter gotch  
#5 Posted : 28 March 2022 15:25:15(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Ray - to add to what AK has said it is worth remembering that the key requirements of HSWA only codified into criminal law what was already in effect in common law.

Then if we look at the full title of the Act it is the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974, such that unless you get into the "etc" bit there needs to be "work" as defined in HSWA Section 52, essentially meaning that somebody gets paid whether as an employee or in self-employment.

So, when you read Section 4 it applies to those in control of premises in relation to those who— (a) are not their employees ; but (b) use non-domestic premises made available to them as a place of work or as a place where they may use plant or substances provided for their use there

So, the underlined words appear to extend beyond "work".

...but this needs to be read in conjunction with Section 4(4) 

(4) Any reference in this section to a person having control of any premises or matter is a reference to a person having control of the premises or matter in connection with thecarrying on by him of a trade, business or other undertaking (whether for profit or not).

But that in turn has to be read in conjunction with Section 1(1) of HSWA [which nobody often reads!)

(1) The provisions of this Part shall have effect with a view to—

(a) securing the health, safety and welfare of persons at work; (b) protecting persons other than persons at work against risks to health or safetyarising out of or in connection with the activities of persons at work;

(c) controlling the keeping and use of explosive or highly flammable or otherwise dangerous substances, and generally preventing the unlawful acquisition,possession and use of such substances ; and

(d) controlling the emission into the atmosphere of noxious or offensivesubstances from premises of any class prescribed for the purposes of thisparagraph.

So, I suggest that Section 1(1)(c) and (d) in effect set out how the Act applies in terms of the "etc".

So, we had (c) which deals with potential big bangs and (d) which related to matters covered by HSE's long since lost Alkali Inspectorate - with all their subjects of interest now enforced by other enforcing authorities under legislation other than HSWA or its "relevant statutory provisions" (another defined term - but essentially health and safety legislation in force before HSWA and regulations made under HSWA). 

thanks 1 user thanked peter gotch for this useful post.
RayRay01 on 22/04/2022(UTC)
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