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michaelt  
#1 Posted : 24 June 2022 08:01:58(UTC)
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michaelt

We have recently been advised by the company who inspects our fire extinguishers, that if we order new fire extingushers for deliver directly to site, that they then need to be inspected to see if they were damaged during transit.

Of course we visually inspect the fire extingushers as they arrive but I have never heard of an inspection by a "competent person" before putting out on site.

The cynical part of me is thinking that this is just them looking for extra business.

HSSnail  
#2 Posted : 24 June 2022 08:03:16(UTC)
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HSSnail

Same cynic is me thought "how much will it cost"!

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 24 June 2022 09:03:39(UTC)
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Roundtuit

When you say "new" are these in replacement of items that have been discharged or failed inspection?  If so your order merely states "replacement" then if they want to start garnishing their supply price with inspection fees you have a bench mark against which to price comparison other suppliers.

Make it clear that they are potentially jeapordising their own business by selling an unnecessary service and ask what kind of message they are sending to customers if products ordered through them could be so susceptible to transport damage they need a delivery inspection ie. are they fit for purpose?

Of course any external transit damage should be readily visible to even an untrained eye - so sign delivery dockets as "unchecked", then if you do find scratches/dents/etc. reject the delivery at your leisure.

Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 24 June 2022 09:03:39(UTC)
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Roundtuit

When you say "new" are these in replacement of items that have been discharged or failed inspection?  If so your order merely states "replacement" then if they want to start garnishing their supply price with inspection fees you have a bench mark against which to price comparison other suppliers.

Make it clear that they are potentially jeapordising their own business by selling an unnecessary service and ask what kind of message they are sending to customers if products ordered through them could be so susceptible to transport damage they need a delivery inspection ie. are they fit for purpose?

Of course any external transit damage should be readily visible to even an untrained eye - so sign delivery dockets as "unchecked", then if you do find scratches/dents/etc. reject the delivery at your leisure.

Messey  
#5 Posted : 24 June 2022 09:43:30(UTC)
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Messey

It's that lovely BS 5306-3  states that extinguishers require commissioning during installation & of should be carried out by a competent person.

But British standards are not law and this part is nonsense for small, low risk premises like a small shop.

Frankly commisioning is nothing that a reasonably handy maintenance person could not do. In higher risk premises such as care homes or where there is any sleeping accomodation, its best to stick to the BS route. Have a look at the link. https://www.fireprotecti...be-done-before-delivery/

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A Kurdziel  
#6 Posted : 24 June 2022 12:18:11(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I am trying to work out what that grandiose term commissioning really means in this case.

You test a fire extinguisher basically by weighing it and  looking for damage or leaks. The nest test is of course to discharge it but that defeats the object somewhat!

When you buy something there is an expectation in law that it will be delivered to you in a working conditions. That is why nowadays everything comes wrapped in layers of  bubble wrap and tamper proof seals. If a company delivers a none working  extinguisher, they should replace it free of charge for a working one. You don’t need some third party  to commission it.

 

Kate  
#7 Posted : 24 June 2022 15:08:23(UTC)
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Kate

I think "commissioning" means "hanging it on the hook".

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Messy  
#8 Posted : 25 June 2022 09:01:32(UTC)
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Messy

I am suprised more suppliers were offering commissioning as there's money to be made M&S visit to ensure your pants fit Carlsberg pop by for the evening to ensure the lager hasn't been damaged in the journey from Denmark The motorcyclist from Dominios stays for a slice The service offered by Durex might be fun But I might not use the Andrex commissioning service if that's OK 🤔
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A Kurdziel on 28/06/2022(UTC)
peter gotch  
#9 Posted : 25 June 2022 11:51:30(UTC)
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peter gotch

Messy, other suppliers are available but in the last example I guess they might do a BOGOF promotion.

For those unfamiliar with the acronym - Buy One, Get One Free.

Edited by user 25 June 2022 11:52:48(UTC)  | Reason: Shouldn't put in unexplained acronyms

firesafety101  
#10 Posted : 27 June 2022 21:26:40(UTC)
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firesafety101

There is no mention of the new extinguishers being supplied full of the extinguishent.  Just thought I would throw that in 

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A Kurdziel on 28/06/2022(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#11 Posted : 27 June 2022 21:30:48(UTC)
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Roundtuit

If they are unfilled components are they actually usable fire extingushers?

Roundtuit  
#12 Posted : 27 June 2022 21:30:48(UTC)
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Roundtuit

If they are unfilled components are they actually usable fire extingushers?

firesafety101  
#13 Posted : 28 June 2022 11:00:08(UTC)
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firesafety101

"Fire extinguisher prior to use" is the title of this story.

SNS  
#14 Posted : 29 June 2022 21:35:49(UTC)
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SNS

Depends on the supplier. I obtained some and they arrived but needed the hoses attaching, thus 'commissioning'.

On the pressure guage there is usually a small disc, clear or colour coded. This covers a test hole to check that the guage needle moves. Changing the disc indicates that the check has been done. Similar with the break seal colours being changed yearly - extinguishers that have not been checked stand out.

We also have a stock of different coloured seals to re-apply if they are inadvertantly broken - not using that years colour to ensure that they get checked by a suitably trained person between annual check.

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Kate on 30/06/2022(UTC)
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