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Davidfilce  
#1 Posted : 30 September 2022 13:15:27(UTC)
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Davidfilce

Hi

If a delivery or collection lorry comes on to site and finds before leaving that a new tyre is needed or one needs inflating, what are the expected controls necessary.

The tyre repair will be organised by the HGV company, but it would be on our site.

The more I thknk of it the more a minefield it seems to become.

Any help or guidance will be welcome

Dave

godscrasher  
#2 Posted : 30 September 2022 13:23:47(UTC)
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godscrasher

I'd be asking for their risk assessments and method statements for the type of work they're carrying out. The technician will likely carry a dynamic risk assessment with them also as they'll be changing tyres in all sorts of dangerous environments.

If the tyre change is in an area which needs additional controls, issue a permit to work to control the localised hazards if there are any.

In all cases, be pragmatic after receiving the RAMS and assist in making the job safe with the technician without over-egging the pudding.

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David.Hughes on 10/01/2023(UTC)
Davidfilce  
#3 Posted : 30 September 2022 13:35:52(UTC)
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Davidfilce

Thank you.

The thought was what involvement / responsibilities we have as an organisation for a tyre repair to a vehicle that isnt ours, arranged by ourselves or contracted by ourselves.

The only bit that is ours in the concrete the vehicle is standing on.

I am quite comfortable with addressing it through our normal processes as if it was our lorry and our tyre contractor, but I want to avoid unneccesary delays, keep the activity safe but not expose the business to and litigtion risks should an event occur

Kate  
#4 Posted : 30 September 2022 14:09:22(UTC)
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Kate

This sounds like over-thinking to me.

As far as I can see your responsibility is limited to safe access and conditions for the people involved (so that they don't get run over in your yard and so on).

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A Kurdziel on 30/09/2022(UTC), peter gotch on 01/10/2022(UTC)
Davidfilce  
#5 Posted : 30 September 2022 14:16:09(UTC)
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Davidfilce

Youre probaly right, but a few years back a neighbouring tyre company was proecuted following a serious injury (albeit different circumstances but tyre repair work just the same), so the risks are there.

Should the same incident occur on my or anyone elses site, its where the responsibilty may lay.

Apart from keeping people safe and maintaining legal compliance, I have to ensure that I protect the Company from exposure to litigation too

Kate  
#6 Posted : 30 September 2022 14:20:02(UTC)
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Kate

That's interesting.  What were the circumstances over which they were prosecuted?

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A Kurdziel on 30/09/2022(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 30 September 2022 14:53:50(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Still with Kate - you are overthinking this. There have been many cases where static & mobile tyre fitting has suffered explosive blow out - the industry tries to learn and improve based upon these.

Look after site visitors and prevent them from being harmed by your activity and leave the tyre company to do its job.

Your alternative is to have the vehicle recovered from your premises to remove this minimal perceived risk which would be a lengthy wait with a driver to entertain and a vehicular obstruction on your site - Tyre repair/replacement services are more abundant than recovery vehicles.

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A Kurdziel on 30/09/2022(UTC), peter gotch on 01/10/2022(UTC), A Kurdziel on 30/09/2022(UTC), peter gotch on 01/10/2022(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#8 Posted : 30 September 2022 14:53:50(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Still with Kate - you are overthinking this. There have been many cases where static & mobile tyre fitting has suffered explosive blow out - the industry tries to learn and improve based upon these.

Look after site visitors and prevent them from being harmed by your activity and leave the tyre company to do its job.

Your alternative is to have the vehicle recovered from your premises to remove this minimal perceived risk which would be a lengthy wait with a driver to entertain and a vehicular obstruction on your site - Tyre repair/replacement services are more abundant than recovery vehicles.

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A Kurdziel on 30/09/2022(UTC), peter gotch on 01/10/2022(UTC), A Kurdziel on 30/09/2022(UTC), peter gotch on 01/10/2022(UTC)
chris42  
#9 Posted : 30 September 2022 16:25:12(UTC)
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chris42

I have come across this years ago, this is one I found but I think the one I was made aware of was a HGV tyre. I have seen in other peoples assessment that the tyre should be placed under the vehicle or in a specially designed cage, or do not stand to the sidewall of the tryre ( stand at its edge) and make sure others are excluded from the area.

https://www.hsmsearch.com/UKMHA-safety-advice-fatal-accident

chris

peter gotch  
#10 Posted : 01 October 2022 12:58:01(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi David

It is rare that the report of a prosecution provides much helpful information to duty holders as it all comes with an HSE spin, usually following a Guilty plea.

Lots of reasons for pleading Guilty, even if the defendant may actually think that they are innocent or only SLIGHTLY guilty.

AND HSE have a track record of prosecuting occupiers of premises for what is done by contractors, sometimes when it is very difficult to see why the occupier is being targeted instead of the contractor.

NOTE! - I am not saying that the occupier does not have responsibility. As an HSE Inspector I wrote a prosecution report recommending action against occupier AND two contractors. But, latterly I think some HSE prosecutions against occupiers have lacked focus and could probably have been successfully defended if taken to trial. [You learn more from the cases that HSE loses than the ones it "wins"!!!]

However, this is a well documented risk which those dealing with tyres should be prepared for.

So, I agree with others:

Either provide a safe place for the visitors and put the onus on the specialists to provide you with confidence that they have a safe system of work in place to protect them and your staff and anyone else in the vicinty 

OR get the vehicle taken off site for that tyre change.

P

Pirellipete  
#11 Posted : 03 October 2022 10:10:44(UTC)
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Pirellipete

You probably only need the same controls as if a Service Tech turned up to service your mobile plant and machinery unless you're on a site with specific hazards and requirements, (COMAH) etc

An area suitable for the task, Barriers/cones/Exclusion zone if required.

I can't see a mobile tyre change tech having his RAMS in the cab tbh, unless it's a major national tyre company.

If 'you' have to unload the truck before the tyre tech can do his thing, then you already have your RAMS of course.

What do you do if employees use a portable tyre inflator to top up their personal vehicle tyres in the car park ??

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