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bigpub  
#1 Posted : 05 October 2022 14:03:37(UTC)
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bigpub

Would anybodyknow about the inspection regime for climbing walls  under BS EN 795 and 7883. I am being told it is every 12 months. I would have thought every 6 months. What does the inspection involve? Thanks

Self and Hasty  
#2 Posted : 05 October 2022 15:24:40(UTC)
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Self and Hasty

I would think it would be 6monthly too, though it's not lifting equipment under LOLER it is devices (hand/footholds) used for supporting persons not goods.

"at least every six months if the lift is used at any time to carry people, every 12 months if it only carries loads, or in accordance with an examination scheme"

It's presumably going to be a visual inspection not a thorough examination, dismantling or destructive testing so costs in time and resources are minimal, it would be reasonable and proportionate to check it every six months or even monthly rather than annually.

bigpub  
#3 Posted : 06 October 2022 13:17:42(UTC)
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bigpub

Thanks but does anyboy know the BS factotrs to this issue?

peter gotch  
#4 Posted : 07 October 2022 12:57:16(UTC)
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peter gotch

bigpub

I don't have access to either of the British Standards that you refer to.

However, I assume that these will say something along the lines of "a suitable regime for inspection and examination".

Which would depend on the design and construction of each facility.

You could have something that looks a bit like a real rockface. So it is dependent on whether part of the face might shear off (just like real life) or you might have foot rests connected to the face and an entirely different set of likely failure modes.

What does the information supplied by those that provided the equipment say?

Arguably there should be a CDM health and safety file for a climbing "wall" but I rather doubt that those supplying such equipment would take the same interpretation of the definition of "structure" in CDM that I could posit. [and I think that the relevant case law could point in either direction - CDM does/does not apply]

A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 07 October 2022 13:58:51(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I would suggest  that BS EN 795 and 7883 are standards concerned with anchoring devices ie where you attach any rope etc on onto climbing wall or similar.

To quote BSI:” BS EN 795 is a British standard on personal fall protection equipment that discusses the requirements and test methods for anchor devices to ensure protection for workers from falling from a height.”

While BS 7883:2005 is “The Code of Practice for the design, selection, installation, use and maintenance of anchor devices conforming to BS EN 795” Note that this is described as having been WITHDRAWN.

 

BS EN 12572-2:2017 is the standard for  “Artificial climbing structures - Safety requirements and test methods for bouldering walls”. This is described as Current, but Under Review

achrn  
#6 Posted : 07 October 2022 15:01:50(UTC)
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achrn

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post

While BS 7883:2005 is “The Code of Practice for the design, selection, installation, use and maintenance of anchor devices conforming to BS EN 795” Note that this is described as having been WITHDRAWN.

 

I think that's because there's a BS7883:2019 (which is current).

It does howver say "This British Standard is not applicable to: ... personal fall protection systems (PFPS) and equipment for use in leisure activities or in professional and private sports activities."  That's in teh free preview on teh BSI website: https://knowledge.bsigro...ractice/standard/preview

thanks 1 user thanked achrn for this useful post.
A Kurdziel on 07/10/2022(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 07 October 2022 15:11:41(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

“This British Standard is not applicable to: ... personal fall protection systems (PFPS) and equipment for use in leisure activities or in professional and private sports activities.”

I am trying to think of an activity which involves people being suspended from an anchor point which is not “a leisure activity or a professional and private sports activity”.

Any suggestions?

Edited by user 07 October 2022 15:12:21(UTC)  | Reason: words and thgings

Roundtuit  
#8 Posted : 07 October 2022 15:36:38(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Abseiling window cleaners?

Steeplejacks?

Roundtuit  
#9 Posted : 07 October 2022 15:36:38(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Abseiling window cleaners?

Steeplejacks?

peter gotch  
#10 Posted : 07 October 2022 18:48:59(UTC)
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peter gotch

...or to expand on what Roundtuir has said any work activity that I would usually expect to be done by an IRATA trained rope access technician.

Including lots of structural inspections, though less with greater availability and capability of remote methods such as the use of drones.

P

bigpub  
#11 Posted : 10 October 2022 09:48:43(UTC)
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bigpub

Thanks folks good ideas and i have a great deal more understanding

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