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Herb  
#1 Posted : 09 November 2022 17:22:06(UTC)
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Herb

Would you need to do a COSHH risk assessment for using chewing gum remover in a school?

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 09 November 2022 19:27:15(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Depends on the nature of the remover - heavy solvent to dissolve the gum or cryogenic liquid to set ot hard so it can be chipped away?

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 09 November 2022 19:27:15(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Depends on the nature of the remover - heavy solvent to dissolve the gum or cryogenic liquid to set ot hard so it can be chipped away?

Kate  
#4 Posted : 09 November 2022 19:43:19(UTC)
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Kate

Another way of putting it is that if you are using a substance hazardous to health, you will need a COSHH risk assessment.

Although, depending on the substance and its use, it is entirely possile that this will just take up a single line of a more general risk assessment.

A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 10 November 2022 09:57:36(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

People often assume that if you buy something at their local Wilko’s it must be intrinsically  safe. Well that is not true and if you use anything for which falls into the category of Hazardous Substances you need to assess it in accordance with the requirements of COSHH. You don’t always need something that some people call a COSHH assessment. In many cases it might be acceptable just to include this in your more general risk assessment.

About 8 years ago, a cleaner poured something you can buy in your local shop, down one of those drains you see in changing room floors. If they or employer had done a COSHH risk assessment, they would have known the that active ingredient  in the cleaning liquid was caustic soda, or sodium hydroxide, and that it was really important to wash away any residues. That would have prevented a 2 year old kiddie from suffering serious  chemical burns-see   https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/14/boy-left-with-third-degree-burns-after-falling-into-chemicals-at-swimming-pool_n_7352904.html      

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HSSnail on 10/11/2022(UTC)
Evans38004  
#6 Posted : 10 November 2022 11:15:24(UTC)
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Evans38004

Seriously folks .... a COSHH assessment for removing chewing gum !!!

Place clothes in fridge, allow to solidify & chip off - easily found on google

Small company, no competent COSHH assessor - you will have to outsource this task!! 

Larger company with competent COSHH assessor - you want me to assess what????

Kate  
#7 Posted : 10 November 2022 12:13:28(UTC)
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Kate

No one has disagreed that if you aren't using substances hazardous to health, a COSHH risk assessment isn't needed.  The method described at #6  doesn't involve any substances hazardous to health, so clearly would not require a COSHH risk assessment.

Edited by user 10 November 2022 12:14:51(UTC)  | Reason: clarification

A Kurdziel  
#8 Posted : 10 November 2022 12:36:44(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I have just looked at the SDS for a number of  products marketed  as gum removers. None of the substances is described as harmless. The most benign is described as an irritant but another has the  Signal Word DANGER and there is a list of Hazard and Precautionary Statements including P102: Keep out of reach of children, which might be relevant in a school.

The issue with hazardous substances is that the risk they might pose are not obvious and you need to do some digging to establish exactly how much risk they pose in a given situation. I suppose that is the reason some many people either ignore the risk or go over the top  and try to ban anything that can be described as a “chemical”.

thunderchild  
#9 Posted : 10 November 2022 15:04:27(UTC)
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thunderchild

Originally Posted by: Evans38004 Go to Quoted Post

Seriously folks .... a COSHH assessment for removing chewing gum !!!

Place clothes in fridge, allow to solidify & chip off - easily found on google

Small company, no competent COSHH assessor - you will have to outsource this task!! 

Larger company with competent COSHH assessor - you want me to assess what????

So I am contracted to remove chewing gum from a wall or floor, how am I chucking that in the fridge?

Evans38004  
#10 Posted : 10 November 2022 15:20:32(UTC)
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Evans38004

Get a plastic bag - place some ice bubes in the bag and place this on the gum to make it solid, then scrape off

First principles of COSHH Assessments is to avoid the use of chemicals

A Kurdziel  
#11 Posted : 11 November 2022 09:37:42(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I found that pouring liquid nitrogen on gum makes removing it easier still and if course its better that ice cubs and easier to transport around the campus than a melting of ice cubes. Unfortunately I was told that this is an unacceptable method: health and safety gone mad if you ask me!

HSSnail  
#12 Posted : 15 November 2022 12:55:03(UTC)
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HSSnail

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post

I found that pouring liquid nitrogen on gum makes removing it easier still and if course its better that ice cubs and easier to transport around the campus than a melting of ice cubes. Unfortunately I was told that this is an unacceptable method: health and safety gone mad if you ask me!

Funny i had the same reaction when i brought in my army surplus flame thrower - some people are just spoil sports!

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A Kurdziel on 16/11/2022(UTC)
John D C  
#13 Posted : 15 November 2022 19:21:28(UTC)
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John D C

When I worked for a pub company it took us some time to work out why CO2 fire extinguishers were often found low on content until one manager admitted they were very good for removing chewing gum from carpets. Must admit they were but left the pub short if there was a fire.
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A Kurdziel on 16/11/2022(UTC)
Gerry Knowles  
#14 Posted : 16 November 2022 15:57:33(UTC)
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Gerry Knowles

The problem can of course be easily resolved, a ban on chewing gum within the premises would do it. 

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HSSnail on 17/11/2022(UTC)
HSSnail  
#15 Posted : 17 November 2022 07:51:49(UTC)
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HSSnail

Originally Posted by: Gerry Knowles Go to Quoted Post

The problem can of course be easily resolved, a ban on chewing gum within the premises would do it. 

Theres an idea - just like they have banned mobile phones, short skirts, bad behaviour conkers etc in schools - it6s good to start the day with a laugh!

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