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Aris_Omar  
#1 Posted : 13 December 2022 11:06:14(UTC)
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Aris_Omar

Good afternoon all,

I have a quick question relation to a discussion on RIDDOR specified injuries, i.e. amputations.

Finger is mentioned, and after discussions in-house, we would like some clarification of the amount of a finger lost.  Is there any written classificaion of how much of a finger needs to be lost?  My gut feel is that any part counts.  Can someone please advise?

Edit:  Found it:  https://www.hse.gov.uk/enforce/incidselcrits.pdf

Up to the first joint i.e. finger tip is not reportable as an amputation of the finger.

Edited by user 13 December 2022 11:11:47(UTC)  | Reason: found the info online

RVThompson  
#2 Posted : 13 December 2022 11:39:44(UTC)
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RVThompson

Hi Aris,

The link in your post takes us to ‘Criteria for selection for investigation of notified work-related accidents, ill-health and dangerous occurrences.’

This document isn’t about debating whether an injury is reportable or not.

RIDDOR Regs:

Non-fatal injuries to workers

4.—(1) Where any person at work, as a result of a work-related accident, suffers—

(a) any bone fracture diagnosed by a registered medical practitioner, other than to a finger, thumb or toe;

(b) amputation of an arm, hand, finger, thumb, leg, foot or toe;

(all my bolds).

chris42  
#3 Posted : 13 December 2022 11:45:24(UTC)
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chris42

I think you need to be careful that document is the HSE’s “Criteria for selection for investigation” not what is or is not reportable. I have always taken it to be reportable if any of the bone was lost, but not if it is just the fleshy bit at the end.

Chris

Aris_Omar  
#4 Posted : 13 December 2022 11:58:36(UTC)
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Aris_Omar

Originally Posted by: RVThompson Go to Quoted Post

Hi Aris,

The link in your post takes us to ‘Criteria for selection for investigation of notified work-related accidents, ill-health and dangerous occurrences.’

This document isn’t about debating whether an injury is reportable or not.

RIDDOR Regs:

Non-fatal injuries to workers

4.—(1) Where any person at work, as a result of a work-related accident, suffers—

(a) any bone fracture diagnosed by a registered medical practitioner, other than to a finger, thumb or toe;

(b) amputation of an arm, hand, finger, thumb, leg, foot or toe;

(all my bolds).

Originally Posted by: chris42 Go to Quoted Post

I think you need to be careful that document is the HSE’s “Criteria for selection for investigation” not what is or is not reportable. I have always taken it to be reportable if any of the bone was lost, but not if it is just the fleshy bit at the end.

Chris

Makes sense.  Thanks for you input :)

peter gotch  
#5 Posted : 13 December 2022 17:43:51(UTC)
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peter gotch

Aris - this has been one of those categories that has passed from one piece of UK accident reporting legislation to the next and then the next.

Somwhere in the back of my mind tells me that HSE guidance on accident reporting used to say something along the lines that Chris has proposed.

Roundtuit  
#6 Posted : 13 December 2022 19:22:31(UTC)
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Roundtuit

All amputations other than amputation of digit(s) above the first joint (e.g. fingertip);

Proximal Interphalangeal Joint (PIP Joint) is the first joint of the finger and is located between the first two bones of the finger.

So taking the first bone (the one behind the fingernail) would not be considered an amputation, the definition indicates taking the second and/or third

Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 13 December 2022 19:22:31(UTC)
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Roundtuit

All amputations other than amputation of digit(s) above the first joint (e.g. fingertip);

Proximal Interphalangeal Joint (PIP Joint) is the first joint of the finger and is located between the first two bones of the finger.

So taking the first bone (the one behind the fingernail) would not be considered an amputation, the definition indicates taking the second and/or third

thunderchild  
#8 Posted : 14 December 2022 15:32:21(UTC)
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thunderchild

Just from my experience with 2 amputations (2 persons, seperate incidents) of the tip of the fingers ended up as reportable as they we off for more than 7 days anyway.

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