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davidjbrn  
#1 Posted : 16 December 2022 12:18:18(UTC)
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davidjbrn

Hi, looking for some guidance - having taken over as H&S Manager, i'm reviewing risk assessments etc, for context we have aout 40 employees who work in the field, this is mainly in social housing, so going in and out properties every day carry out various surveys. They are generally working alone, although sometimes with a resident. Our RA states all staff will be FAW trained, but this isn't happening across the board and I have challenged that my not be necessary. 

Anyone got experience with this, if ew provide a personal frst aid kit, some online FA training to these employees, would this be reasonable and sufficient? 

Thanks

antbruce001  
#2 Posted : 16 December 2022 13:00:40(UTC)
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antbruce001

David,

First aid training is based on helping others, not oneself. As such, there is no requirement to provide first aid training to lone workers.

Normal practice is to provide first aid kits.

Hope it helps,

Tony.

lukewildsmith  
#3 Posted : 28 December 2022 14:24:49(UTC)
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lukewildsmith

Hi David, 

I re-iterate what Ant has mentioned. Additionally, you should risk assess actual lone working, establish a lone working procedure etc. There are even phone applications now which make all the lone workers inform you that they are safe and well, the local managers could monitor this and you could oversee it. 

Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 28 December 2022 20:29:58(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: lukewildsmith Go to Quoted Post
There are even phone applications now which make all the lone workers inform you that they are safe and well, the local managers could monitor this and you could oversee it.

1) Where downloaded

2) Where the handset is fully charged

3) When lone working is taking place in an area that is not a "not spot" for phone signal

4) When the company has been paying the providers invoices so the handsets are not disconnected

5) When the task is interruptible to permit making timed calls

Technology - great when it works

Roundtuit  
#5 Posted : 28 December 2022 20:29:58(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: lukewildsmith Go to Quoted Post
There are even phone applications now which make all the lone workers inform you that they are safe and well, the local managers could monitor this and you could oversee it.

1) Where downloaded

2) Where the handset is fully charged

3) When lone working is taking place in an area that is not a "not spot" for phone signal

4) When the company has been paying the providers invoices so the handsets are not disconnected

5) When the task is interruptible to permit making timed calls

Technology - great when it works

HSSnail  
#6 Posted : 29 December 2022 07:50:34(UTC)
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HSSnail

Originally Posted by: Roundtuit Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: lukewildsmith Go to Quoted Post
There are even phone applications now which make all the lone workers inform you that they are safe and well, the local managers could monitor this and you could oversee it.

1) Where downloaded

2) Where the handset is fully charged

3) When lone working is taking place in an area that is not a "not spot" for phone signal

4) When the company has been paying the providers invoices so the handsets are not disconnected

5) When the task is interruptible to permit making timed calls

Technology - great when it works

BA HUMBUG Round 

But you are correct its important to relaise any "lone worker" devise is only part of your controls and do not take away all company/management/employer responsibility.

peter gotch  
#7 Posted : 29 December 2022 11:53:59(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Roundtuit

4) When the company has been paying the providers invoices so the handsets are not disconnected

Do I detect some personal experience?!?!

Roundtuit  
#8 Posted : 29 December 2022 13:05:23(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Hi Peter

Previous employment where everyone had to have a company issued mobile that finance decided would, for their convenience, be best placed upon a single provider contract - one missed payment. Other mobile classics include the corporate deal which works fine for those based at head office whilst those based at other sites have no signal.

Also coming to a disaster near you is the advent of "digital" server based handsets - lose power = no phone. Domesticly pensioner groups are lobbying providers that the switch from copper cabling will disconnect emergency communication - a UPS will only provide a few hours back-up whereas supply disconnections such as with storm Arwen lasted for days.

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Roundtuit  
#9 Posted : 29 December 2022 13:05:23(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Hi Peter

Previous employment where everyone had to have a company issued mobile that finance decided would, for their convenience, be best placed upon a single provider contract - one missed payment. Other mobile classics include the corporate deal which works fine for those based at head office whilst those based at other sites have no signal.

Also coming to a disaster near you is the advent of "digital" server based handsets - lose power = no phone. Domesticly pensioner groups are lobbying providers that the switch from copper cabling will disconnect emergency communication - a UPS will only provide a few hours back-up whereas supply disconnections such as with storm Arwen lasted for days.

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A Kurdziel  
#10 Posted : 03 January 2023 10:00:50(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

This should probably be  new thread but since we are moving from First Aid kits to lone working arrangements to the use of technology to keep in touch with employees: I know of a number of  organisations who have moved away from the “old fashioned  internal telephone” to CTI (Computer telephony integration) where instead of  a separate land line, the phone goes through the computer desktop. This saves on having to look after two sets of wiring to look after but it only works if you have a computer to plug your telephone into. If you don’t (there is an assumption that all workers are office based and spend their days in front of a screen) then you can use a mobile assuming you have one, it gets a signal, and you are permitted to use it in that location. The idea that phones may have a safety function is ignored and that a person might be lone working on a site with hundreds of people about just goes over the decision makers heads.

Has this happened to others and if so what have they done about it?

achrn  
#11 Posted : 03 January 2023 14:17:12(UTC)
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achrn

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post

 I know of a number of  organisations who have moved away from the “old fashioned  internal telephone” to CTI (Computer telephony integration) where instead of  a separate land line, the phone goes through the computer desktop.

I'm not sure what you're complaining about here - you seem to link it to replacing wired 'landline' telephones with PC-based voice calls, but then segue into 'but what about people that aren't at a desk' and what if their mobile phone doesn't work or can't be used?

Those people couldn't use landlines in the 'good old days' either, though.  Or were your remote workers equipped with really long extension leads to take their wired 'landline' phone with them?  I can't really see any way in which communications now (regardless of decision to use PC-based calling or not) are less flexible and have less coverage than in the past.

Having said which, I am interested in application of technology solutions to lone workers, and would like to hear of systems that people are using and think tehy work well.  (Our people-based systems - remember to tell your manager when you're back safe - don't work as well as I'd like.)

pseudonym  
#12 Posted : 03 January 2023 14:30:30(UTC)
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pseudonym

Modern technology doesn't always work better - old fashioned phone on a desk and anyone can use it. PC on a desk (where I work likely to be a laptop, so might not be there) and if the keyboard is locked you can't use it to make a phone call. 

Then again, I'm a Luddite and if it can't be fixed with a hammer, or a sharp stick, I rapidly lose interest

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A Kurdziel  
#13 Posted : 03 January 2023 14:59:54(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Achrn

Imagine a workplace, which is not an office so there is no networked PC there but in the old days there was a phone mounted on the wall and if something went wrong you could pick up the phone a call someone and then shout HELP! Now the phone system has been improved but it only works through a PC and the wall mounted phone is still there but is no longer connected to anything.  If you need to call for help you can use a mobile phone, but what if you don’t have one or there is no signal in that area or for operational reasons you can’t use a mobile phone?

The question is has anybody else come across this situation? What have they done about it?

Have they insisted that the phone be reinstated? Have the installed wi-fi in the area so mobile technology works or have they just a crossed their fingers and hoped that they will never need to deal with this issue?

Achrn, I too like technology based solution, so I am not really  a Luddite but if you are interested in solutions, you need something that works and works in an emergency and is easy to use and generates a useful response. It’s no good being able to contact an empty office 24/7.

A lot of people are nervous about putting lone worker solutions on their personal phones, as they think it will be used to “spy” on them, which is why they prefer fixed alternatives.

Roundtuit  
#14 Posted : 03 January 2023 16:18:27(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post
Have the installed wi-fi in the area so mobile technology works or have they just a crossed their fingers and hoped that they will never need to deal with this issue?

Another technological assumption - not all UK carriers / hand sets support Wi-Fi calling and not all corporate systems grant open unverified pasword free Wi-Fi access.

Roundtuit  
#15 Posted : 03 January 2023 16:18:27(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post
Have the installed wi-fi in the area so mobile technology works or have they just a crossed their fingers and hoped that they will never need to deal with this issue?

Another technological assumption - not all UK carriers / hand sets support Wi-Fi calling and not all corporate systems grant open unverified pasword free Wi-Fi access.

achrn  
#16 Posted : 03 January 2023 16:42:42(UTC)
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achrn

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post

Imagine a workplace, which is not an office so there is no networked PC there but in the old days there was a phone mounted on the wall and if something went wrong you could pick up the phone a call someone and then shout HELP! Now the phone system has been improved but it only works through a PC and the wall mounted phone is still there but is no longer connected to anything.

So this workplace is remote you can't install a PC, but you could install a wired telephone line?  If that's a foreseeable scenario install an VOIP handset.

All VOIP / UC systems I know of can have handsets  - eg https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/collaboration-endpoints/unified-ip-phone-6901/data_sheet_c78-584412.html or https://www.yealink.com/en/product-detail/microsoft-teams-phone-mp54

It looks like a POTS handset, it works like a POTS handset, but it plugs onto the computer network. They start at a few tens of pounds (depending upon what your backend system is).

In our offices we have handsets on some of our visitor / shared desks.  You pick up the hand piece and press the number buttons and it makes a phone call.  This despite the fact that we have no landlines in any building (except those servicing lift phones and alarm systems).

Actually, my home 'phone' line no longer carries any phone signal, it's pure IP traffic, but over copper pair installed for POTS, and what looks like a handset in my kitchen is a VOIP phone. 

HSSnail  
#17 Posted : 04 January 2023 07:56:04(UTC)
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HSSnail

Originally Posted by: achrn Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post

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Having said which, I am interested in application of technology solutions to lone workers, and would like to hear of systems that people are using and think tehy work well.  (Our people-based systems - remember to tell your manager when you're back safe - don't work as well as I'd like.)

Found myself in exactly the same postion a few years ago even before covid as we moved to more and more remote working. Have adopted a combination of an app based system and people based. And yes there are always going to be problems with technology, but the weakest link is still the people in the system - staff forgetting to set timers, managers not answering their phones etc.

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