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andrewjb1  
#1 Posted : 14 November 2022 10:57:36(UTC)
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andrewjb1

Hi

We have a student that 'kicked' an internal fire door and put his leg through the safety glass,  my understanding is it was kicked / or slammed quite violently.  It resulted in an ambulance being called and they received treatment, we believe stiches.  The accident wasn't a result of a work activity and they are a student not an employee, do you think we should RIDDOR anyway?

Incident reporting in schools (accidents, diseases and dangerous occurrences) EDIS1 (hse.gov.uk)

Andrew

antbruce001  
#2 Posted : 14 November 2022 12:07:42(UTC)
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antbruce001

As you point out, this is not a work activity and therefore not reportable under RIDDOR.

PDarlow  
#3 Posted : 14 November 2022 12:29:52(UTC)
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PDarlow

Section 2 of the link you posted suggests this would not be reportable. From what you describe, it would be a matter for your school disciplinary board.

curlking  
#4 Posted : 18 November 2022 09:57:21(UTC)
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curlking

I also have a query related to reporting to the HSE.

Seeking some advice.  An incident occurred in a workshop where the IP was using an angle grinder and the disk exploded.  The IP received 22 stitches to his face and was discharged from the hospital the same day.  He was due to return to work a week later to resume normal duties however, he developed an allergic reaction to the medication and was re-admitted to the hospital. The IP will now be absent from work for more than 7 days.

The question is should this be reported to HSE under RIDDOR or not?

A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 18 November 2022 09:58:53(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Reportable

ajw  
#6 Posted : 18 November 2022 13:42:39(UTC)
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ajw

I belive this is reportable if he/she was taken to a medical establishment from your workplace. There isnt much you can do to control the behaviour but I think if you look into the regs in more details it does include non employees who are present at the workplace.

HSSnail  
#7 Posted : 18 November 2022 15:09:31(UTC)
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HSSnail

Originally Posted by: ajw Go to Quoted Post

I belive this is reportable if he/she was taken to a medical establishment from your workplace. There isnt much you can do to control the behaviour but I think if you look into the regs in more details it does include non employees who are present at the workplace.

The none employee to hospital for treatment is only half the requirement, the injury has to result out of a work activity - what do you see as a work activity from someone deliberatly kicking a door?

arunprakash  
#8 Posted : 03 December 2022 13:46:44(UTC)
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arunprakash

No. It need not be reported, and does not qualify as reportable incident as per RIDDOR. Morover, the chanaces are, the stroke would have happened even if the person was not at work at that exact time. 

lukewildsmith  
#9 Posted : 28 December 2022 14:58:01(UTC)
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lukewildsmith

Nope, not work related.  

Paul1200  
#10 Posted : 30 December 2022 16:15:20(UTC)
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Paul1200

Hi, 

I have a gent who fell from the last step of a HGV unit and hurt his arm/shoulder. He never needed hospital treatment or needed to see a doctor but he was off work for over 7-days stright. 

I reported this because of the over 7-day incapacition of a worker.

I was told not to report it because and I qoute

"as long as you do a reasonable investigation you have 10 days from that completed investigation to report the RIDDOR" 

I have never heard of this ruling or can find where the HSE is stating it, has anyone ever seen this before & is it ture? 

Thanks a lot 

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peter gotch on 30/12/2022(UTC)
Kate  
#11 Posted : 30 December 2022 17:14:28(UTC)
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Kate

Hi Paul,

You are right to report it and I have never heard of such a rule as you have been told. 

How good your investigation is (or indeed whether you do an investigation) has no bearing on whether or when you are supposed to report.

Current HSE guidance which I expect you have already seen is "For accidents resulting in the over-seven-day incapacitation of a  worker, you must notify the enforcing authority within 15 days of the incident" https://www.hse.gov.uk/riddor/when-do-i-report.htm

Clearly, from the date of the incident - not the date you complete your investigation.

The only case I can think of where the investigation has any bearing at all on when you are expected to report is the case where your investigation uncovers something that changes whether or not you know the incident to be reportable (for example, if you initially had false information leading you to think it wasn't reportable and later you find out that it was so you make a delayed report, explaining the reason for the delay).

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peter gotch on 30/12/2022(UTC)
peter gotch  
#12 Posted : 30 December 2022 17:53:28(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Paul

Suggest you should get your source to demonstrate the authority of the quote provided!

Seems to be just another way of trying to get round the rules.

Possibly influenced by one or more of the common myths eg.

1. Doing a RIDDOR is an admission of liability - which is, of course, nonsense.

2. Doing a RIDDOR is likely to result in a visit by the regulator. The truth is that the regulator(s) investigation a tiny, tiny fraction of the reports they get.

The regulator(s) far more likely to be unhappy when they find that RIDDOR reports are NOT being submitted, as that suggests more serious non-compliances hidden in plain sight.

Kate  
#13 Posted : 01 January 2023 10:54:47(UTC)
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Kate

I have an idea of where the "10 days" comes from.

Back before RIDDOR 2013, one of the criteria for reporting an injury was if the person was unable to carry out their normal duties for more than 3 days, not counting the day of the accident.

If I remember correctly, the timescale for reporting such injuries was 10 days from the date of the accident.

When the criterion was changed from more than 3 to more than 7 days of incapacity by the current regulations, the reporting timescale was increased accordingly.

So maybe the person who had this idea was remembering the old knowledge.

They still didn't get the old knowledge right though, since the 10 days was from the date of the accident, not from the date of completion of an investigation.

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