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Jonathan Bright  
#1 Posted : 07 January 2023 19:01:31(UTC)
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Jonathan Bright

Hi All

One of our engineers wants to site an electrical plastic compactor used mainly for compressing plastic stretch wrap and packaging,  approximatley 1.5 metres square in size against an external wall of a building, I have refused this due to the potential for it becoming a fire hazard, i.e faulty wiring, combustible materials stored to close to the building.

He disagrees, does everyone agree that my point is a valid one, 

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 07 January 2023 21:54:28(UTC)
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Roundtuit

In the highly unlikely case would the intensity of the fire pass through the metal construction of the compactor and the adjacent brick wall to cause serious effect before the fire consumes itself or is extinguished?

We operate compactors inside several of our facilities as well as the external scenario you describe.

If the suggestion is stacking the accumulated baled material against the wall then you have a valid argument the insurers would back.

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 07 January 2023 21:54:28(UTC)
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Roundtuit

In the highly unlikely case would the intensity of the fire pass through the metal construction of the compactor and the adjacent brick wall to cause serious effect before the fire consumes itself or is extinguished?

We operate compactors inside several of our facilities as well as the external scenario you describe.

If the suggestion is stacking the accumulated baled material against the wall then you have a valid argument the insurers would back.

Ian Bell2  
#4 Posted : 08 January 2023 14:09:44(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

No I don't agree with you. Your electrician is being reasonable. It sounds like a fairly common industrial situation. 

You have of course completed a PUWER assessment, which asks the question is the machine/equipment suitable for use in its intended location.

peter gotch  
#5 Posted : 08 January 2023 14:59:20(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Jonathan

You suggest "faulty wiring".

Ian talks about your PUWER assessment and could have mentioned other Regulations.

So, the wiring should NOT be "faulty" and the electrics should be appropriate for an installation liable to be occasionally wet.

But the UK has lots of electrical equipment in the open (or relatively) open air that is likely to get wet. 

When did you last read about a typical drive through car wash going up in flames?

Messey  
#6 Posted : 08 January 2023 18:17:35(UTC)
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Messey

I think you were right to review the risk that such apparatus may pose, but perhaps (with respect) a bit hasty about coming to your findings  Risk is of course, not IF a fire will originate, but how likely and how severe it may be. 

The construction and use of the building is relevant, as it may be not as desirable to place such a machine next to a timber or ACM clad hospital building, whereas for most other buildings it would be acceptable as long as the machine was installed and maintained to a high standard. I agree with others that the presence of combustible waste adjacent to the building that would make the hair on the back of my neck stand up, especially if it was likely to be stored there long term and if the area was insecure or within an area of moderate to high anti-social behaviour.  

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