Welcome Guest! The IOSH forums are a free resource to both members and non-members. Login or register to use them

Postings made by forum users are personal opinions. IOSH is not responsible for the content or accuracy of any of the information contained in forum postings. Please carefully consider any advice you receive.

Notification

Icon
Error

Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Messey  
#1 Posted : 12 January 2023 12:03:55(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
Messey

MI5 and GCHQ are recruiting Fire Safety Advisors
​​​​​​​Could be an interesting role(s) for someone 

One on London and the other in Cheltenham

https://recruitmentservices.applicationtrack.com/vx/lang-en-GB/mobile-0/appcentre-1/brand-5/candidate/so/pm/1/pl/4/opp/2750-Fire-Safety-Advisor-Ref-2750/en-GB

Ian Bell2  
#2 Posted : 12 January 2023 16:32:19(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
Ian Bell2

You can see it now.

I've done a risk assessment but I can't tell you what it says. If I told you, I would have to shoot you as a security risk.

thanks 2 users thanked Ian Bell2 for this useful post.
RVThompson on 13/01/2023(UTC), peter gotch on 13/01/2023(UTC)
RVThompson  
#3 Posted : 13 January 2023 07:58:41(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
RVThompson

I've got a white cat and a bald head, does that discount me from applying?

thanks 1 user thanked RVThompson for this useful post.
peter gotch on 13/01/2023(UTC)
peter gotch  
#4 Posted : 13 January 2023 11:08:45(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
peter gotch

Can't remember who it was who came up with a quote along the lines of

"There is no secret except the secret that there is no secret".

When I first moved to Scotland HMNB Clyde aka Faslane wasn't on the Ordnance Survey map, but it was regularly on the news with coverage of the semi-permanent Peace Camp just down the road.

Then I moved to work for Babtie when we had just designed the Ship Lift facility at Faslane. We had pictures of it in our offices and used one of them regularly in promotional materials. 

I've got a copy of the flyer we produced to advertise our very first course on "CDM" (except that at the time the acronym was "CONDAM"). Nobody is going to appoint a Special Counsel to investigate me holding "classified information"!

I think if someone put in a Freedom of Information request at the very least they could probably ascertain when the last fire risk assessments were done at the MI5 offices in London and GCHQ and may be even get copies of the assessments with a little nudging as it's probably unlikely that there would be anything in such an FRA that would merit "top secret" billing.

To be honest, I doubt that either of these roles would be particularly challenging for a competent fire risk assessor - once they were used to the concept that some parts of the buildings have increased security provision and you are not allowed in without enhanced vetting.

Messey  
#5 Posted : 13 January 2023 14:10:35(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
Messey

Originally Posted by: peter gotch Go to Quoted Post

I think if someone put in a Freedom of Information request at the very least they could probably ascertain when the last fire risk assessments were done at the MI5 offices in London and GCHQ and may be even get copies of the assessments with a little nudging


Good luck with that as the FOI doesn't apply where national security is concerned

Local fire authorities have successfully refused FOI requests on details of their call centres as the info provided may be used in a terrorist attack, so I am sure MI5 and GCHQ will have a similar approach 

peter gotch  
#6 Posted : 13 January 2023 19:18:35(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
peter gotch

Hi Messey

Took just 30 seconds to get an idea of how many smoke detectors there may be at GCHQ.

GCHQ Fire Alarm & Evacuation Systems - Wessex Group

I fully appreciate that Government and other public bodies often hide behind "national security" when it comes to FOI requests, but quite often refusals are overturned when it comes to the crunch.

A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 16 January 2023 11:39:31(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
A Kurdziel

It’s not the fact that they have 3,500 smoke detectors at GCHQ in Cheltenham, that is the big secret. It where they have them, which gives some idea of how the interior of the building of the building is organised  which reflects on the actual organisation of the various department and then you can get a handle on who does what!

Note that this only lists the Cheltenham site, not the Scarborough site ( yes there is a GCHQ site in Yorkshire)

 

HSSnail  
#8 Posted : 16 January 2023 15:01:22(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
HSSnail

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post

Note that this only lists the Cheltenham site, not the Scarborough site ( yes there is a GCHQ site in Yorkshire)

They dont need fire detectors as its always raining! And i can say that as im not that far away. So secret its on Google maps as is Menwith Hill the top secret base just down the road from Harrogate - which is actualy classed as US soil!


thanks 1 user thanked HSSnail for this useful post.
peter gotch on 16/01/2023(UTC)
Users browsing this topic
Guest
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.