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CdC  
#1 Posted : 04 May 2023 09:23:00(UTC)
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CdC

I am hoping someone can help to retrieve the sentencing statement for case below:

Ah, misleading media statements around how to keep people with epilepsy safe - implication based on this reporting would be not to allow anyone with epilepsy to use stairs???!!!:

Massive Fine Imposed | Morrisons Supermarket | Kangs Health & Safety Lawyers - Kangs Criminal Defence Solicitors | VAT & Tax Solicitors (kangssolicitors.co.uk)

Found the inquiry documents from 2016 and reading between the lines, Morrison failed to act on information given to them about the severity of the condition.

Gunn-2016-0217.pdf (judiciary.uk)

2016-0217-Response-by-Morrisons.pdf (judiciary.uk)

I have tried hard to find the actual sentencing statement, but cannot retrieve it. I believe it's Gloucestershire Crown Court from March 2023. Anybody else has any other info?

A bit more detail referenced here: Massive Fine Imposed | Morrisons Supermarket | Kangs Health & Safety Lawyers - Kangs Criminal Defence Solicitors | VAT & Tax Solicitors (kangssolicitors.co.uk)

peter gotch  
#2 Posted : 04 May 2023 10:19:55(UTC)
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peter gotch

Morning CdC

I don't think that what the Judge said in sentencing has been published in the public domain.

I share your concerns about the potential implications of this case and how it has been covered in the media.

I also suspect that the Judge had similar reservations as the sentence was actually relatively small.

Maximum penalty envisaged in print in the Sentencing Guidelines is £10m for a "Large" organisation, defined as turnover of  "£50m and over", but the Guidelines do say that it might be necessary to go beyond that £10m for a "Very large organisation" and Morrisons would fall into that category.

So, perhaps the starting point for the sentencing decision might be £100m or more, in which case the penalty imposed was small. 

More difficult as whilst this case went to trial, we don't the basis of why a jury found the defendant guilty or HOW guilty the jury (or Judge) thought the defendant to be.

Given that the onus is on the defendant to prove that it did all that was reasonably practicable [on the balance of probabilities] any defendant faces a very high bar when it comes to defending any charge where the test is one of reasonable practicability.

So, perhaps only just a tiny bit guilty, in which case you would expect the sentence to be reduced so as to reflect that.

P

Edited by user 04 May 2023 18:08:13(UTC)  | Reason: Clarification- thinking of another case

peter gotch  
#3 Posted : 04 July 2023 09:53:11(UTC)
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peter gotch

Employment Tribunal with rather different thinking to the Morrison jury decision.

Epileptic employee dismissed on safety grounds was discriminated against, tribunal decides | IOSH Magazine

Of course each case needs to be considered on the basis of the specific circumstances.

chris42  
#4 Posted : 04 July 2023 10:10:05(UTC)
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chris42

In a way not so different, they are saying there were options that were not taken by the company in place of dismissal, in the same way there were options that Morrisons also did not take to reduce the frequency of using the stairs.

It is concerning this may lead employers not to employee someone with epilepsy in the first place, and just find some other excuse not to employ.

peter gotch  
#5 Posted : 04 July 2023 16:54:50(UTC)
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peter gotch

Chris - my thinking was that this balanced the published decisions out somewhat.

So, the Employment Tribunal has in effect said that the employer failed to make "reasonable adjustments" or at the very least failed to demonstrate that they had made full consideration of what adjustments might have been "reasonable" before deciding to end someone's employment.

Which means that if an employer considers BOTH decisions they are somewhat less likely to discriminate against a disabled person.

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chris42 on 04/07/2023(UTC)
chris42  
#6 Posted : 04 July 2023 17:21:44(UTC)
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chris42

Not disagreeing with you Peter, yes if they considered both things (and be able to demonstrate that they had) they would have been less likely to discriminate. Again, I have a little sympathy with the employer. In reality it is not always possible to split out tasks economically or practically, especially in a production type environment. Most companies now run very lean, because they have to in order to survive, so no spare capacity, no wiggle room. They just needed to go though the process better and more transparently. The reports even say there was no malice involved, they appeared to have considered the concept of other jobs, but if there are none then there are none. Their decision may possibly have been the correct one just the journey was at fault.

This is the sort of thing companies still need to get much better at.

Chris

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peter gotch on 05/07/2023(UTC)
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