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Man dies after being stuck inside Keswick indoor cave
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Absolutely tragic incident. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-65453874
I am not suggesting for a second the venue didn't have planned emergency procedures and I ask future commenters not to speculate on the circumstances of this incident. The reason for posting is to communicate that in these confined/restricted space scenarios, emergency situations can escalate quickly and emergency procedures should be tested and challenged vigorously to make sure all possible scenarios are planned for.
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Originally Posted by: Holliday42333  to make sure all possible scenarios are planned for
If we plan "all possible" scenrios (e.g. the morbidly obese) the attraction of the experience significantly diminishes and the "fun police" will have struck again. Signage and instruction are pointless when a parent is responding to their child.
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Originally Posted by: Holliday42333 to make sure all possible scenarios are planned for
If we plan "all possible" scenrios (e.g. the morbidly obese) the attraction of the experience significantly diminishes and the "fun police" will have struck again. Signage and instruction are pointless when a parent is responding to their child.
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Originally Posted by: Roundtuit Originally Posted by: Holliday42333 to make sure all possible scenarios are planned for
If we plan "all possible" scenrios (e.g. the morbidly obese) the attraction of the experience significantly diminishes and the "fun police" will have struck again. Signage and instruction are pointless when a parent is responding to their child.
Quite right, but thats not really what I meant. I'm thinking more along the lines of; make sure rescue plans actually work, don't assume the original rescue plan witll work, really think about the 'what if ' scenarios. In my experience it would be things like; fall arrest harnesses used for virtical rescue that dont allow person to be winched through the opening, entry rescue personnel on the day who cannot fit through the entrance, side entries without appropriate mechanical rescue equipment. What do you do if you find yourself in these scenarios?
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This is awful. Personally confined spaces are something that bring me out in a cold sweat. I tried potholing once; never again. Its that feeling of being trapped between hundreds of feet of rock and not being able to turn around… Bu this was in an indoor centre. The pothole was designed and built by someone. There could not be anything unexpected in it and yet someone was trapped and died in there. I think that there will be a lot of questions asked about this (or at least there should be )
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They passed in hospital on 30th April having been stuck on 22nd April.
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They passed in hospital on 30th April having been stuck on 22nd April.
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Prevention is always better than cure. While I don't know the circumstances there needed to be a really good risk assessment looking for areas where people could get stuck and remove them. I believe in "what ifs" although some are sceptical of my imaginations and poo poo lots of them.
People who work in these places are excellent at setting up 'potential real life' scenarios but I wonder who was involved in that rescue risk assessment process.
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As I said there needs to be a thorough investigation and questions need to be asked including: - How did the designers balance the need to make this object challenging to users but not so challenging that it posed a serious threat to life and limb
- What emergency plans existed for rescuing someone who was trapped inside?
- Why were removable access panels not included in the design?
- Why didn’t they just smash into the structure to get the poor man out?
- Who was the fake pothole intended for? Was it suitable for all users or were there restrictions on who could use it?
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I live close to this venue and to my knowledge this isnt the first time this very same type of incident has happened, about 4 years ago a visitor got stuck in the 'Pot Hole' experience, this is pretty well documented as this particular blokes wife posted on Trip Advisor how bad an experience they had there, lack of assistance, empathy etc, so al in all looks like its a case of an 'accident waiting to happen'
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