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firesafety101  
#1 Posted : 11 May 2023 10:06:16(UTC)
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firesafety101

An employee who works at a dog minding establishment, on three night a week has raised with me about her safety at work.  She works three nights alone looking after too many dogs according to the rules.  She has been bitten a few times, as has another girl and the employer seems to be riding roughshod over them all.

Local Authority has been in on annual inspection but we do not have feedback.

They are not allowed to report incidents such as dog bites so no record of repeat 'offenders'. No 'after bite policy'. No hazard/risk assessments and the employer makes his mind up as he goes along about stuff like holiday pay and how many employees work together on nights, I think should be at least two but always one, 12 hours 8pm to 8am.

The young lady doesn't want to cause any waves because she needs the job and says her boss will sack her.

I know about Whistle Blowers protection but not sure how much protection?

Any ideas from more informed members will be apprecated.  Thanks.

A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 11 May 2023 12:03:35(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I suspect that the owner is a “dog lover”-likes dogs, hates people. So, the pooches get all of the looking after and its that which gets them past the local authority inspection while H&S of staff is completely ignored.

In theory the owner is completely breaking the law, section 2 of Health and Safety ay Work Act and chunks of the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations. In theory the employee,  should raise the issue with the employer in the first  instance and then they can report it ( to the council with their H&S hat on). Under employment law  she should be protected  from retribution but in practice  I suspect that she will get short shrift. If this goes to an employment tribunal, they will simply wind the company up and a totally new business will arise from the ashes with the same owner and the same poor employment practices.

That’s how it works in the brave gig economy of 21st century Britain.

Edited by user 12 May 2023 09:17:29(UTC)  | Reason: words and thgings

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Kate  
#3 Posted : 11 May 2023 15:53:33(UTC)
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Kate

There is a charity called Protect devoted to the topic of whistleblowing which may be able to help: https://protect-advice.org.uk/

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peter gotch  
#4 Posted : 12 May 2023 10:11:21(UTC)
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peter gotch

Morning firesafety

As has been implied, there is a relatively small number of employers who are entirely disinterested in treating their workers with due respect, nor be influenced by any legal requirements.

Suppose this night shift worker makes an anonymous complaint about H&S to the local authority, the LA Environmental Health Office could e.g. do a night visit and attempt to hold the line that doing out of hours visits is the norm, but this employer is going to assume that a complaint has been made and it won't take much to guess where the complaint has (probably) come from.

Which means that employee then gets treated even more badly.

...and with no effective means of getting redress.

Probably time she looks for another job, and puts this down "to experience".

firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 12 May 2023 11:06:27(UTC)
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firesafety101

Thanks for the replies everyone.  So it seems that the regulations that should be protecting the employees is, unlike the dogs, TOOTHLESS.

Alan Haynes  
#6 Posted : 12 May 2023 11:06:44(UTC)
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Alan Haynes

Firesafety,
I think you should have a word with the Local Authority to raise concerns about 2 areas. 1. Staff safety, and 2. Is the business meeting its Certification requirements?

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Peter G
Just advising someone to look for another job fail to address the problem at all - it's just 'turning a blind eye' to the problem.. it seems to me that there are staff safety issues and dog care standards issues.

Edited by user 12 May 2023 11:08:27(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

peter gotch  
#7 Posted : 12 May 2023 16:12:05(UTC)
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peter gotch

Alan - agreed in principle, but sometimes it is sensible to be pragmatic.

In this case, it is likely that the regulator(s) will turn out to be effectively toothless.

Those (small or big) whose business model is to ignore most or all of regulation rarely get the justice they deserve.

craig_NF  
#8 Posted : 15 May 2023 15:55:59(UTC)
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craig_NF

Looking afer dogs in a "boarding" context is a licensable under the animal welfare act - This means LA should have already visited the premises and ensured it met animal welfare standards as well as looked through safety info. 

May help to make a complaint to the council with regards to animal welfare in which case they will visit for that reason and pick up on other things whilst there.

A Kurdziel  
#9 Posted : 16 May 2023 09:06:46(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Hi Craig

As I said I suspect that the kennels can pass an inspection on animal welfare grounds but they ignore the human H&S aspects. I can remember reading something (in SHP) a few years ago  about a meat processing plant where  the cleaning and hygiene  night shift had an exemplary record for HACCP and quality control. then one night an operative managed to lose a finger and it turned out that  they had been routinely cutting H&S corners  (nightshift no supervision from outside the team) and that minor injuries were never recorded.

Auditors  only find what they are looking for: animal welfare  gets a tick, H&S not something that we are looking at today; Quality passed but injuries not recorded.

 

Edited by user 16 May 2023 14:43:11(UTC)  | Reason: words and thgings

peter gotch  
#10 Posted : 16 May 2023 12:14:00(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Craig

To add to what AK has written, if the LA is the enforcing authority for occupational health and safety AND for animal welfare, it is likely to be two different parts of the LA working largely independently.

So, just like many an internal or external auditor, the enforcing officer is usually only focusing on the legislation that falls to THEM.

Hence the person issuing the animal welfare licence is unlikely to include much, if anything, on worker health and safety and probably even more unlikely to be spending much time considering the workers when checking on compliance with the licence.

A not uncommon problem where there are multiple enforcing authorities, each with their own brief.

craig_NF  
#11 Posted : 16 May 2023 14:49:51(UTC)
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craig_NF

My limited experience of this was before the license inspection, there was a requirement to upload Health and safety, from RA & operating procedures, training procedures, proof of competence through to emergency plans (including what to do if bitten etc) and this was checked & verified as accurate during said inspection.

Guess it may differ from area to area, and inspector to inspector! as you say each with their own remit. Could be an indirect way of at least getting the LA through the door!

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