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chris42  
#1 Posted : 08 June 2023 14:53:55(UTC)
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chris42

From the May/June Mag

I could not find any discussion of the above where the company was fined £3.5m when an employee with epilepsy fell down some stairs. They were charged with failure to 1) ensure H&S of employee with epilepsy, 2) Carry out a suitable and sufficient RA, 3) review risk to which an employee with epilepsy might be exposed.

The person sadly died from falling down the stairs. It does note the person in question went up and down the stairs at least 8 times a day. However what frequency would be considered acceptable, would employers have to prevent someone with epilepsy from using the stairs at all? Yes if a lift is available or lockers etc could be moved to a ground floor, but often especially in older buildings that may not be possible.

Just wondered what other people’s thoughts were on this.

Chris

RVThompson  
#2 Posted : 08 June 2023 15:15:26(UTC)
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RVThompson

Hi Chris,

I believe this was raised earlier in the year: http://forum.iosh.co.uk/posts/t133009-Epilepsy-and-Stairs---Looking-for-a-sentencing-statement

Regards

R

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chris42 on 08/06/2023(UTC)
chris42  
#3 Posted : 08 June 2023 16:14:06(UTC)
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chris42

Thank you. I did do a search both on the IOSH web site and I did one via google and put IOSH forum in the search which sometimes works a bit better. Oddly I just redid the search and “epilepsy” gets the result you kindly point to, but if you put stair in you don’t you get one from 2020. Perhaps I misspelled epilepsy and obviously needed the s on the end of stair.

Not a huge amount of discussion though, as there must be so many places that have employees with varying degrees of the condition.

RVThompson  
#4 Posted : 09 June 2023 07:12:34(UTC)
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RVThompson

Certainly.

And you can drive, albeit under certain conditions.

achrn  
#5 Posted : 09 June 2023 11:04:33(UTC)
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achrn

There's more discussion of teh case at http://forum.iosh.co.uk/posts/t132930-Personal-risk-assessment---recent-inquest-findings and I've seen at least one other thread about it too (but can't find it just now)

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chris42 on 09/06/2023(UTC)
chris42  
#6 Posted : 09 June 2023 11:37:09(UTC)
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chris42

Yes it appears you can drive but only if your seizures happen when asleep or you have been free from them for more than 12 months.

I found the case in the article interesting as despite Peters very logical argument that it was relatively small, still £3.5m is a lot of money however big your pockets are.

There seemed to be a focus on the frequency of using the stairs more than 8 times a day. However it takes say 20 seconds to go up or down some stairs so in total you are exposed for a total of 5 minutes 20 seconds in an 8 hour day, 20 seconds at a time ( 8 trips up and 8 down).

They also commented that he had had a recent seizure, so can’t you ask people to work or have altered duties if possible for a period after ( 12 months???). My understanding some people can feel seizures coming on and others can’t.

So, should we not allow people with this condition use the stairs full stop? Or only if they have been seizure free for 12 months (not sure all employers could accommodate a change in duties for a year). If you have no choice for an employee to use the stairs, can they not do that job? I feel it is discriminatory to prevent people from doing a job due to that.

Most companies now I feel run very lean on employees there is little to no spare capacity, and I think recently companies have been running under capacity (not enough people). Could such a finding make such a company think twice before employing someone with epilepsy.

Employers have a duty of care, but how far should that go. I can’t help but think if the unfortunate person who died had been asked a week before if they were ok to use the stairs the likely answer would have been yes (I of course could be wrong on this).

Chris

chris42  
#7 Posted : 09 June 2023 11:51:11(UTC)
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chris42

Thank you Achrn

I thought I had read more comments on this topic but could not find it, and starting to think it was just my thoughts in my head.

Chris

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