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GeeKay  
#1 Posted : 27 June 2023 14:08:23(UTC)
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GeeKay

Good day to all

I intend to run a workshop for a number of Team Leaders and Supervisors at our Company relating to Accident/Incident & Near Miss reporting - importance of basics of investigation - to aid this I am looking for an interactive training aid (film) that takes participants through the process and gives me the opportunity of pausing it to ask questions about hazards etc. that are present - it needs to hopefully fun, engaging and thought provoking to really bring them onboard to know what to do when an incident arises in the workplace.

I am prepared to pay for the media and really hoping you have grasped what I need and know of a company or product that would suit my need. A film of around 20-45 mnutes would be perfect as I intemnd to set the scence with some slides of my own to set the scence before reaching the fun/interactive part. 

Thanks in anticipation.

Acorns  
#2 Posted : 27 June 2023 15:14:56(UTC)
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Acorns

Not sure if you’re looking at any incident or specific industries, but I have yet to see a package that would needs. In the past I’ve compiled ones for specific events or roles.
peter gotch  
#3 Posted : 27 June 2023 18:21:48(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi GeeKay

Difficult to know what sector you are in, but I doubt that you will find something that meets what you are looking whilst also delivering what you say you need.

Lots of short videos on LinkedIn (and other social media) about things going wrong but they usually fall into either of two types:

(a) something disastrous that happens in a "low probability, high consequence" scenario so in the last few days I've seen something allegedly purporting to be a lightning strike on chemical storage that then goes bang dramatically.

(b) some.thing showing that very basic precautions haven't been implemented - a typical example would be a video of someone at the bottom of a deep unsupported excavation that then collapses and either engulfs the person or they are lucky to still be alive. Often these videos come with the message "it wouldn't happen here" - there was one circulating recently about the escape of people including children from a goldmine in Africa when there was a hillside collapse

There are also lots of training courses available which also tend to fall into two types:

(1) someone has regurgitated the advice in e.g. HSG245 but WITHOUT making the training bespoke to the audience, so as to reflect what their organisation's procedures require. 

(2) packages that are essentially a sales pitch for some proprietary cause analysis product.

My suggestion would be pictures of something that YOUR audience can easily relate to, whether that is because the pictures show something that is similar to the work that they do or because it's the sort of thing that they can easily see when just walking around the streets.

Construction has a bad name in health and safety but that is partly as many of the issues can be seen from outside the site fence (assuming there is a site fence!!).

So, as example when I was putting together a training package on incident reporting investigation for one of our clients, one of our team just happened to be around the corner when a scaffold partly collapsed in Milton Keynes and she was astute enough to take a photograph of the aftermath from a distance.

You could find this incident and a pic on the internet [I have done so today!] but just about anything is likely to be copyright.

So, easy for just about ANYONE to understand and I have used that photo repeatedly to explain the importance of not starting an investigation until the scene is safe to do so, EVEN if that might mean that the evidence may become less clear.

The other problem is that what you can buy tends to see things in simplistic terms - it's safe or it's not safe, but health and safety is almost always about doing what is reasonably practicable - usually we are in the grey area.

So, going back to that excavation collapse there used to be a "rule" that said that if the trench was less than 4 feet (1.2m) deep then it didn't need to be supported and if more than 4 feet deep it did.

But even when that threshold was in place there were lots of qualifications both above and below the magic number!

So, suppose you dig a trench in "London Clay" (which you can find well beyond London) on a greenfield site you could probably get down to 8 feet depth without much risk of collapse........

.....until you change the scenario only slightly - park an excavator close to the edge and thence increase the loading or leave the excavated materials close to the edge, and thence....ditto

.....or it's actually a brownfield site and there are lots of underground services just behind the face of the excavation so the London Clay has been previously disturbed.

But if you are in more typical ground conditions the excavation could collapse when still much shallower. 3 foot deep, with person making pipe connections - quite enough material to bury them. Whatever message those posting may have been trying to send - this could and does still happen in the UK.

So, my suggestion is to use materials YOU understand. The actual incidents or the ones that you can see could happen, possibly even staging something.

Remember that defective stepladder that was consigned to the skip last week. Get the gloves on, take it back out and get some photos of what might be about to happen!

To possibly help set the scene, in the first fatal accident arising from a fall from height that I ever investigated, the victim was a painter who fell may be 6 feet when the defective stepladder he was working on collapsed in a bingo hall and he hit his head off a work surface.

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GeeKay on 28/06/2023(UTC)
GeeKay  
#4 Posted : 28 June 2023 06:45:00(UTC)
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GeeKay

Morning

Agricultural Engineering - Bending, rolling, forming steel into various shapes and sizes to manufacture Farm gates, fencing and cattle crushes etc.

I am going to give supervisors and team leaders a better understanding of what their role is when a workplace incident arises; surveying the scene, witnesses etc... My aim is to keep them engaged for an hour and half and end the session with them looking at a scenario on the screen and slplitting into groups to fill up a real incident form. I wanted to make it interesting for them, rather than an hour and half of death by PowerPoint!

RVThompson  
#5 Posted : 28 June 2023 07:15:17(UTC)
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RVThompson

Hi GeeKay,

Have you asked your insurer/solicitors?

At a previous company, our legal team arranged for accident investigation training involving site specific incidents with role playing (novice investigator, taciturn witness, etc.), and Q & A afterwards.

They delivered this as part of claims management; I found it very helpful.

Regards

R

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peter gotch on 28/06/2023(UTC)
MikeKelly  
#6 Posted : 28 June 2023 11:23:58(UTC)
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MikeKelly

Hi GK

I agree with Peter above.

My suggestion, however, is a film called No Going Back. It is set in an electronics factory but it could be anywhere. It is explained in detail if you just google the film. It meets lots of your requirements and I can guarantee it will be enjoyed--it has the estimable [gorgeous] Cherie Lunghi as a factory inspector following the chain of events leading to a serious accident --decidedly prosaic causes[s] etc., etc.

Regards

Mike 

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GeeKay  
#7 Posted : 30 June 2023 08:45:59(UTC)
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GeeKay

Originally Posted by: MikeKelly Go to Quoted Post

Hi GK

I agree with Peter above.

My suggestion, however, is a film called No Going Back. It is set in an electronics factory but it could be anywhere. It is explained in detail if you just google the film. It meets lots of your requirements and I can guarantee it will be enjoyed--it has the estimable [gorgeous] Cherie Lunghi as a factory inspector following the chain of events leading to a serious accident --decidedly prosaic causes[s] etc., etc.

Regards

Mike 

Hi Mike, I can't seem to find this film to download or request, can you help?

Thanks.

peter gotch  
#8 Posted : 30 June 2023 10:46:03(UTC)
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peter gotch

Morning GeeKay

My guess is that it was probably marketed in old video tape format - and may or may not have been republished on more modern media.

No Going Back (1992) | BFI

Which says that it was by Gower Training, which may or may not still exist.

Might be able to retrieve from a library assuming you have an old fashioned video player.

Good luck, Peter

MikeKelly  
#9 Posted : 30 June 2023 13:13:06(UTC)
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MikeKelly

Hi GK

Yes, it was a long time ago when I was using this movie-2008 ish+.

Adding to Peter's post immmediately above, Gower publishing is reportedly now part of Routledge Taylor and Francis group based in Oxfordshire, phone: 01235 400 524.

Hopefully you can track it down.

best regards

Mike

 

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peter gotch on 30/06/2023(UTC)
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