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Gilby  
#1 Posted : 12 July 2023 16:37:33(UTC)
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Gilby

Hi, the fire exit doors within our premises our controlled by an electronic magnetic door release mechanism i.e. staff are required to press a button on the wall to unlock the door. The buttons are not connected to the fire alarm system, so if the fire alarm is activated staff would need to press the button and then push on the door to open. Could anyone tell me if it is a regulatory requirement for the doors to automatically unlock in the event of a fire so that staff do not need to press the button to open the door. The premises belongs to a manufacturing company with less than 100 staff. Thanks.

M.cooper.99  
#2 Posted : 13 July 2023 06:55:49(UTC)
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M.cooper.99

Hi Gilby,

Assuming you are in the UK, Approved document B for the Building Regulations 2010 states that 

Electrically powered locks should return to the unlocked position in all of the following situations.

a. If the fire detection and alarm system operates.

b. If there is loss of power or system error.

c. If the security mechanism override is activated.

Security mechanism overrides for electrically powered locks should be a Type A call point as described in BS 7273-4. The call point should be positioned on the side approached by people escaping. If the door provides escape in either direction, a call point should be installed on both sides of the door

This is under section 5 on page 48.

If your doors were fitted prior to the building regs, the only requirement, I believe, would be under the Fire Safety Order which is "emergency doors must not be so locked or fastened that they cannot be easily and immediately opened by any person who may require to use them in an emergency". In that case, while it may not be best practice, you may be fine as long as the doors can be unlocked in the event of the push button being defective. 

If someone with more experience could correct me if im wrong, that would be great.

Regards

Mathew

Edited by user 13 July 2023 07:15:43(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Gilby on 13/07/2023(UTC)
peter gotch  
#3 Posted : 13 July 2023 10:05:29(UTC)
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peter gotch

Morning Gilby

This is a common method of enabling fire exits to be available in the event of emergency.

Mathew has spelled out the official guidance.

In my last office, we had swipe entry in and out of each floor, and on one floor a separate swipe entry into one wing (where the people doing "Official Secret" stuff were based).

But every locked door had an override button, which in practice is how people got OUT even as the normal option - so we all knew exactly where that button was for each door we used regularly.

As example my desk was 6th Floor East, so if I wanted to go and see someone on 5th Floor East I would press the button to get to the end staircase, swipe back in a floor below.

Conversely, if I wanted to see someone on 5th Floor East, it would be press the button to exit to main staircase, then swipe back in to floor below and turn left.......and had the alarm sounded for an emergency evacuation, I could have walked to the far end staircase and could confidently expect to find the override button in exactly the same place compared to the door as at the other end.

What might present a problem would be if the layout of where these override buttons varied substantially from door to door so that someone in an emergency had to do more thinking.

stuart46  
#4 Posted : 13 July 2023 10:20:09(UTC)
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stuart46

Hi all, I have worked on a number of sites over the years working in both H&S and Facilities roles, all of which had the alarm connected to the door mechanisms so in the event of an activation, all door mechanisms unlocked. If you rely on buttons to unlock the door, does this not mean the door still remains locked after the alarm has activated, so doesn't necessarily satisfy the requirements for the door to return to the unlocked position when the alarm is activated. I realise it is unlikely, but what happens if the button fails?  

firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 13 July 2023 11:50:05(UTC)
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firesafety101

Hi everyone.  I suggest you try the doors during your regular fire alarm test.  If you don't have a weekly test I recommend you introduce one and test the doors.

Edited by user 14 July 2023 11:02:34(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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M.cooper.99 on 14/07/2023(UTC)
Messey  
#6 Posted : 13 July 2023 13:10:04(UTC)
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Messey

Its best practice that doors open with the sounding of the fire alarm system but its not a requirement.

Take Peter Gotch's example - where Official Sensitive (there's no such marking as Official Secret) work is taking place, or a bank, or a data centre. They will not always want all parts of the building opened whn the alarm operates Then think of most businesses. Would you want an intruder to drop a smoke pellet into your letterbox and to walk thru unlocked door at 3am? I wouldnt!!!

Approved Doc B* and British standards give advice how to comply with the law of the land - which for England and Wales is the Fire Safety Order. Under the FS Order, (as has been stated earlier) the only significant requirement is that doors should not need keys to open in an emergency.

So be very careful about the 'all doors unlock' idea where that includes final exits and make absolutely sure the business fully understands what this means for security before you action it

However, door locking overrides should be fitted for all electrically locked doors where passes, ID cards or codes are needed to open. Exceptions to this rule will be places of legal custody (Prisons, detention centres and mental health) plus extremely secure buildings (Military and similar) where a key operated override may be acceptable subject to a RA *Most of ADB is advice except for the functional requirement pages 

stuart46  
#7 Posted : 13 July 2023 13:56:46(UTC)
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stuart46

I've never worked anywhere where a door is not securley locked and the building alarmed when the site is closed, not just relying on mag locks outside office hours. Anyone who relies on mag locks alone when a building is empty is asking for trouble. I'd always have all doors unlock when the alarm goes off to ensure people can just walk out without issue but I realise we don't all think or do the same and never will.   

peter gotch  
#8 Posted : 13 July 2023 16:51:49(UTC)
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peter gotch

Also worth noting that the Approved Document needs to be read in full not cherry picked.

As example it specifically says that certain parts do not apply to prisons - for fairly obvious reasons!

But before the section that Mathew quoted there is

Door fastenings

5.7 In general, doors on escape routes (whether or not the doors are fire doorsets) should be either of the following.

a. Not fitted with a lock, latch or bolt fastenings.

b. Fitted only with simple fastenings that are all of the following.

i. Easy to operate; it should be apparent how to undo the fastening

ii. Operable from the side approached by people escaping.

iii. Operable without a key.

iv. Operable without requiring people to manipulate more than one mechanism.

Doors may be fitted with hardware to allow them to be locked when rooms are empty.

In places such as hotel bedrooms, locks may be fitted that are key operated from the outside and manually opened from the inside.

If a secure door is operated by code or combination keypad, swipe or proximity card, biometric data, etc., a security mechanism override should be possible from the side approached by people escaping

So, it is about having a fire risk assessment that justifies a proportionate approach.

No multistorey shop is going to leave all its exit doors open in the event of the fire alarm going off - just tells the criminal to set off the fire alarm and have free access when all the staff are at the muster point!

...and hence 5.7 above is about making sure that those inside can get OUT - but doesn't say that someone should then be free to get in with no restrictions.

P

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